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Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'

Fozzie Bear said:
I think you're right about this but as 39steps has said, the cops really are not challenged at all by the pro-Tommy lot and if they overstep the mark they will be nicked. I wouldn't be surprised if the bloke who attacked the journalist outside parliament earlier this week has his collar felt.

My guess is that SYL will use his time in prison to write another book and get people behind another free Tommy campaign but what happens next really depends on external factors like Brexit, the economy and whether or not there is another Islamist terrorist attack or similar outrage in Europe any time soon.

Even if he makes it over to America (and that is unlikely) he will still be the pet "UK correspondent" for Rebel Media et al, so he isn't going away - and neither is his support base.
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I agree with this, especially the bit about a terror attack boosting their numbers/activity. Ironically enough Islamists are their best mate. Best recruitment sergeant they’ve got.
 
Fozzie Bear said:
I think you're right about this but as 39steps has said, the cops really are not challenged at all by the pro-Tommy lot and if they overstep the mark they will be nicked. I wouldn't be surprised if the bloke who attacked the journalist outside parliament earlier this week has his collar felt.

My guess is that SYL will use his time in prison to write another book and get people behind another free Tommy campaign but what happens next really depends on external factors like Brexit, the economy and whether or not there is another Islamist terrorist attack or similar outrage in Europe any time soon.

Even if he makes it over to America (and that is unlikely) he will still be the pet "UK correspondent" for Rebel Media et al, so he isn't going away - and neither is his support base.
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The numbers for the jailing demo seemed to be smaller than the trial one and a fairly mixed crowd of ages and sexes. One of the things that always amazes me is the number of women in the fanbase tbh.Theres some nutters and some up for a scrap but most arent tbh. Whatever new support they thought they had found via the NW campaign didnt materialise in votes or on the street. That fanbase is going to stay by and large but I'm not sure aside from terrorist attacks how it can grow. And it just seems like a fanbase rather than a movement, for all his talk about galvinising the working class there is no real political message apart from anti Islam, no local structures , no local issues and no local activity.His days of earning £10k a month from Rebel Media have gone although they could in the future need each other , the finances from his Youtube and Facebook accounts have ended . Hes far from broke but he's got to find another source of income.

However whilst the number of grooming gang trials might diminish and Brexit will take place both issues will still resonate amongst a whole layer and it seems likely that the level of disaffection with the main parties wont go away.

Thursdays demo showed both some strengths and a lot of weaknesses, strength as in they got larger numbers out than the otherside but weaknesses as in aside from being on the street there was no plan. Despite Danny Tommo spending time in Paris watching the Yellow Vests I'm not sure what he learnt . The January Yellow Vest stuff in the UK peterrred out rapidly , they havent the numbers aside from national callouts and thats limited and Potential allies are thin on the ground , the DFLA are very small and they dont like Danny Tommo, Britain First are in a mess,, For Britain just chickened out of the Miners Gala. They are fragmented . leaderless and all the talk of civil war is hot air. They could try some stunts ie a picket of the prison, road convoys or protests outside courts, banners on bridges and graffiti but thats about it. Its the close season so even trying to get some chants at the odd football ground is off. It wouldnt surprise me if there was some further harassment of journalists/people on Twitter who have spoken out or a protest outside the BBC or something.
I think they'll be with us as a rump for some time , unless he fucks off abroad and it wont be the States, but I'm not convinced they are growing or have the capacity to do so at the moment.
 
'it just seems like a fanbase rather than a movement, for all his talk about galvinising the working class there is no real political message apart from anti Islam, no local structures , no local issues and no local activity.'

which has been the case since 2010. they have never been backed by any working class organisation, just various donors. what is his manifesto? get rid of muslims. how? when? in what way? apart from rowdy demos and ego boosting 'speeches' what else can they do? the ukip link hasnt really worked out very well.
 
The39thStep said:
The numbers for the jailing demo seemed to be smaller than the trial one and a fairly mixed crowd of ages and sexes. One of the things that always amazes me is the number of women in the fanbase tbh.Theres some nutters and some up for a scrap but most arent tbh. Whatever new support they thought they had found via the NW campaign didnt materialise in votes or on the street. That fanbase is going to stay by and large but I'm not sure aside from terrorist attacks how it can grow. And it just seems like a fanbase rather than a movement, for all his talk about galvinising the working class there is no real political message apart from anti Islam, no local structures , no local issues and no local activity.His days of earning £10k a month from Rebel Media have gone although they could in the future need each other , the finances from his Youtube and Facebook accounts have ended . Hes far from broke but he's got to find another source of income.

However whilst the number of grooming gang trials might diminish and Brexit will take place both issues will still resonate amongst a whole layer and it seems likely that the level of disaffection with the main parties wont go away.

Thursdays demo showed both some strengths and a lot of weaknesses, strength as in they got larger numbers out than the otherside but weaknesses as in aside from being on the street there was no plan. Despite Danny Tommo spending time in Paris watching the Yellow Vests I'm not sure what he learnt . The January Yellow Vest stuff in the UK peterrred out rapidly , they havent the numbers aside from national callouts and thats limited and Potential allies are thin on the ground , the DFLA are very small and they dont like Danny Tommo, Britain First are in a mess,, For Britain just chickened out of the Miners Gala. They are fragmented . leaderless and all the talk of civil war is hot air. They could try some stunts ie a picket of the prison, road convoys or protests outside courts, banners on bridges and graffiti but thats about it. Its the close season so even trying to get some chants at the odd football ground is off. It wouldnt surprise me if there was some further harassment of journalists/people on Twitter who have spoken out or a protest outside the BBC or something.
I think they'll be with us as a rump for some time , unless he fucks off abroad and it wont be the States, but I'm not convinced they are growing or have the capacity to do so at the moment.
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They’ve grown. There were thousands of them on the streets last May when he was first jailed (I was there) I’ve simply never seen those numbers anywhere ever. Hedley said they were the most he’d ever seen and he was there ‘back in the day’.
 
Magnus McGinty said:
They’ve grown. There were thousands of them on the streets last May when he was first jailed (I was there) I’ve simply never seen those numbers anywhere ever. Hedley said they were the most he’d ever seen and he was there ‘back in the day’.
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EDL got similar numbers at their peak.
FLA had a few demos with around 10 thousand on them.
Yesterday it was a few hundreds. He lost his deposit in the Euro elections.
Hes going backwards.
Agree that it may change if there are further islamic terror attacks - but the far right/anti islam stuff looks more spasms of anger that than peter's out because their is no real solid agenda, or specific demand or community base - its justs cunts having a hate.
And his repeated coked up, angry man, aggro-merchant stuff is not going to appeal beyond a narrow base of twats.
Farage has political nouse and is a good communicator. Even Nick Griffin could at least string a sentence together. On recent evidence, mr milkshake would struggle to string his own laces.
 
I'm always uncomfortable when people play it down. I was shocked that the EDL got a thousand or so on the streets of Newcastle following the killing of Lee Rigby.
But that was nothing compared to when Tommy first got jailed last year. At least ten thousand holding a rally in central London pretty much unopposed. It fills me with fear tbh.
 
Magnus McGinty said:
I'm always uncomfortable when people play it down. I was shocked that the EDL got a thousand or so on the streets of Newcastle following the killing of Lee Rigby.
But that was nothing compared to when Tommy first got jailed last year. At least ten thousand holding a rally in central London pretty much unopposed. It fills me with fear tbh.
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I think it is pretty bad, yeah. And it’s no victory for us to say it probably won’t get bigger of its own accord. But that’s where we are.
 
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