Titanic tourist sub missing

[AnnO'Neemus]

Not to mention other manufacturing industries especially steelmakers and iron forged, plus coal mining. Coal contains heavy metals, radioactive isotopes and mercury to name but a few. And Glasgow was a home to chemical manufacturers for a long time. The high flats at Sighthill were built by Cruden on a large chemical waste site.

And where were these places? Largely in communities that were affected by poverty when the employer was no more. Places like Pollok, home to the Saracen foundry and decorative ironworks, or Parkhead where one of the largest forge's in Europe was. Patrick was home to a number of boilermakers (for ships and steam engines) as well as shipbuilders at Pointhouse on the north side of the Clyde.

Collieries of all grades and sizes were throughout the city, and whilst some like beneath Glasgow uni were worked out fairly early on, others towards the east of the city were not.

When people breathe in the byproducts of these industries it's no surprise that life expectancy decreases, and even now we're seeing the legacies of heavy industries across the city. Poverty only makes it worse.

Also, it has to be said, the impact of alcohol (and illegal drugs) on life expectancy in those former industrial cities.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

There's also this summary on Wikipedia which lists a number of factors. Officially this is known as The Glasgow Effect

Glasgow effect - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Surprised they didn't mention 'urban food deserts' - the lack of affordable fresh fruit and veg in certain impoverished neighbourhoods in big cities.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Not sure how they got internet access at those depths though.

They received instructions as to how/where to steer by text message, apparently.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

They received instructions as to how/where to steer by text message, apparently.

Which suggests to me that they had some lesser signal than full internet. But I’ve never seen this explained.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Well the key designer died with their craft, the problem is that they took others with them.

I wonder if you have to take out public liability insurance in order to run something like this?

I wonder if it was insured, given that it was professionally tested/classed and given all those disclaimers that everyone going in it had to sign (see the video from that TV reporter who signed a disclaimer that mentioned risk of death three times)?

 

[Cid]

I wonder if it was insured, given that it was professionally tested/classed and given all those disclaimers that everyone going in it had to sign (see the video from that TV reporter who signed a disclaimer that mentioned risk of death three times)?

It wasn't professionally tested. It was amateurishly tested, but never used an official certifier.

e2a: the article tanya posted upthread is well worth reading if you haven't:

Paywall removed article to a good piece in The New Yorker.

12ft

12ft.io

The detail about the engineer who was fired for raising concerns is particularly chilling. Shortly before he was sacked, sued, and Rush tried to have him deported into the bargain, he desperately demonstrated one last time to Rush and co that the hull integrity wasn’t what it should be and that nobody should go in it, by shining a torch at it - and the light shafts filtered through all the cracks.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Surprised they didn't mention 'urban food deserts' - the lack of affordable fresh fruit and veg in certain impoverished neighbourhoods in big cities.

Or urban food desserts like the deep fried Mars bar.

 

[equationgirl]

Or urban food desserts like the deep fried Mars bar.

Mainly an Edinburgh delicacy, have never seen it in Glasgow.

 

[NoXion]

I used to love deep fried Mars bars, but I can't eat them now because they hurt my teeth so fucking much.

 

[Almor]

Which suggests to me that they had some lesser signal than full internet. But I’ve never seen this explained.

Maybe someone on the boat was looking up internet instructions and text messaging the info down?

After frantically googling for an AI to convert jpg files to ASCII art probably

 

[JimW]

 

[Cid]

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At least we now know why they keep crashing.

 

[Cid]

'Kthrnx, despoiler of the great lakes of Flgra? idiot assumed Prxythium would be fine for atmospheric flight on that new planet, hear he ended up 20 feet into the soil of some place the locals call Roswell'

 

[bluescreen]

Titan had a woeful success rate with its deep dives

Less than 15% of OceanGate’s Titan sub trips actually reached Titanic wreckage

Passengers made to sign four-page liability waiver for ‘experimental’ Titan submersible

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Titan had a woeful success rate with its deep dives

Less than 15% of OceanGate’s Titan sub trips actually reached Titanic wreckage

Passengers made to sign four-page liability waiver for ‘experimental’ Titan submersible

www.independent.co.uk

The last one made it, so wasn't a total failure

 

[Artaxerxes]

The submarine will feature in SAW X as the centrepiece of the villains plan

 

[nino_savatte]

Stockton Rush (what an absurd name) didn't take kindly to criticism, and threatened to sue anyone who suggested that his venture was unsafe.

Many tried to warn Stockton Rush that he was flirting with deadly disaster. When Karl Stanley, a friend of Rush and a submersible expert, heard a cracking sound during a dive on the Titan, he cautioned Rush to conduct extensive testing on the hull. Rush replied to Stanley saying “Keep your opinions to yourself,” and “I hope you of all people will think twice before expressing opinions on subjects in which you are not fully versed.”

How a Bogus Lawsuit Led to the Titan Sub Tragedy

Oceangate CEO Stockton Rush did not take kindly to criticism—and used the threat of SLAPP suits to bully his critics into submission.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[equationgirl]

I am surprised that 14 deep dives were actually completed.

A shame really, because they assumed that because it hadn't failed, it was safe when it wasn't.

 

[pogofish]

I think they might be missing a crucial piece of equipment, though.

Dunno, saw some photos in the last couple of days that might suggest they have a spare pressure hull and equipment package sitting in a car park in Everett!

Finding anyone to bolt all together/wire it up and with the confidence to get in it might well be the biggest problem!

 

[equationgirl]

Just goes to show, money can't buy common sense.

 

[mojo pixy]

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[mojo pixy]

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Douglas Adams called it

 

[Ming]

Douglas Adams called it

There's a lot of wisdom in HHGTTG

 

[NoXion]

There's a lot of wisdom in HHGTTG

Indeed, although I think some people take the wrong lessons from his works; I've seen people refer to "Ark B people" (who included telephone sanitisers) in sneery elitist terms, seemingly forgetting that in their absence the civilisation that sent them away died out due to a telephone-transmitted disease.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

So Titanic 2 is in the works.

James Cameron denies rumors he is working on film about Titan sub

Titanic director and deep-sea expert tweets he is not in talks about OceanGate movie after report published in the Sun

www.theguardian.com

Or maybe not.

 

[NoXion]

Legal Eagle weighs in on whether OceanGate is legally liable. Looks like they might be got under the Deaths On High Seas Act:



It looks like the design flaws might be so significant that the waivers might not be good enough to avoid legal action:

 

[equationgirl]

Yeah, I think it's one thing to offer a service based on experimental technology that hasn't been fully tested and quite another on technology that barely works at all, offered by an egomaniac who thinks he knows better than anyone else in the engineering industry.

 

[Brainaddict]

Yeah, I mentioned above, if Canadian law is anything like the UK, no waiver, no matter how it is worded, can protect you against a charge of negligence. The purpose of most legal waivers seems to be make people think they can't sue the company, when in fact in lots of circumstances they can.

 

[Chz]

It's a basic tenet of most common-law countries that you cannot sign your basic legal rights away. Not being killed by negligence being a basic legal right.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Friend with a theory: