Titanic tourist sub missing

[Shippou-Sensei]

It seems to be worse than that, from the New Yorker:

It seems they didn't remap the controller as such, just got the pilot to remember the new controls.
From reading previous stories, I thought they'd remapped the controller, so the pilot could use the same inputs to get the same output, but if this is true then, then just luckily worked out which controller position now did what.

Yeah I noticed that. It kinda sounds like it's the worst of both worlds.

I'm guessing they had an input for yaw left and yaw right on the sholder buttons which pushed equally but opposite on the left and right thrusters. As one was on backwards yaw became forward.

I'll have to reread the article.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

But that would mean the fact they had to get the controller diagram meant that the pilot didn't know what all the buttons did.......


How does this somehow keep getting worse the longer you think about it.

 

[two sheds]

The more you read about this the more you understand why Johnson was so impressed by/proud of it.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Not sure how they got internet access at those depths though.

 

[spitfire]

Probably just chucked a wireless router over the edge of the ship and hoped for the best.

eta: with a reeeeeeeeaaalllly long patch cable.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Not sure how they got internet access at those depths though.

The transatlantic cables are at about that depth. Perhaps they spliced in.

I mean in truth they had an acoustic link.

So I guess it can transmit data a bit like an old modem.

 

[WouldBe]

How does this somehow keep getting worse the longer you think about it.

This is what happens when you RUSH things.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

This is what happens when you RUSH things.

It must have really burst his bubble.

 

[Storm Fox]

This is what happens when you RUSH things.

We need a SUBstantial improvement to the Reaction Icons so we can have Groan or Coat icon.

 

[Cid]

Hydraulic press channel has been experimenting (no gore, simulated or otherwise):



They don't really manage to get any grasp on pressure cycling, but it's quite interesting nonetheless.

 

[equationgirl]

Jesus fucking Christ on a pogostick

If you're not breaking things, you're not innovating.

No.

No no no no.

Innovation is about solving problems, not breaking the laws of physics. You don't innovate by breaking basic engineering practices. The rules are there for a reason, not so people can just do what the fuck they want to.

I hope Sony sues Oceangate for using a PS3 as a piloting controller.

I particularly enjoyed the bit where Rush was boasting about getting a boatload of carbon fibre cheap from Boeing because it was past the expiry date for airplane use...

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

I particularly enjoyed the bit where Rush was boasting about getting a boatload of carbon fibre cheap from Boeing because it was past the expiry date for airplane use...

Once again I'm reminded of

What will you're vessel be subjected to?
About 350 atmospheres of pressure.
And what was it rated for?
1 to slightly less than 1. Except it was past it's sell by date.

 

[equationgirl]

The more I read about the Titan design the more I want to bang my head off a wall.

Interns/students designing the electricals. 'it worked' they said in the article. Um, but it had multiple points of failure and used a pS3 controller. Yes it works but it clearly wasn't any good.

 

[Tanya1982]

Certainly some students CV’s and college applications will have to be changed. ’OceansGate, May to August 2016, part of the design team for a deep ocean submersible’ has become ‘went travelling in Thailand’.

 

[equationgirl]

Remember when you did physics at school and built circuits out of blocks that clipped into place on a special board? That. I bet they built everything out of that.

Who needs redundancies and industry standards when you can just INNOVATE????

Fucking loons.

 

[WouldBe]

Remember when you did physics at school and built circuits out of blocks that clipped into place on a special board? That. I bet they built everything out of that.

Who needs redundancies and industry standards when you can just INNOVATE????

Fucking loons.

I'm surprised it wasn't built from Lego.

 

[Orang Utan]

I'm surprised it wasn't built from Lego.

Too dear.
Sticklebrix or Duplo though….

 

[WouldBe]

Too dear.
Sticklebrix or Duplo though….

Might be a bit leaky.

 

[mx wcfc]

Might be a bit leaky.

But if billionaires are going down in it................?

 

[Tanya1982]

Some commentary I’ve been interested in places this squarely as part of the problems with ‘start up culture’, and wonders if this might end the fetishisation of it. Starter uppers are the new bankers - with quite a few current examples of this ‘masters of the universe’ stuff reaching its inevitable conclusion - one minute you’re firing sports cars into space just because you can, the next you've wrecked a global brand through nothing but your own hubris. In this instance, you’re the greatest innovator whose genius can’t be questioned because nobody else is qualified to understand you, and in the next minute you’re fish food.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Found this on Youtube. It claims that there's a leaked transcript of the communications out there. They go over it step-by-step and it seems plausible, although I'm no expert:



Their conclusion was that they descended too quickly, and the hull started making odd "crackly" noises. They also had indicators saying there were issues with the hull and lost one of their batteries. If this is real, they knew they were in real trouble for approximately 19 minutes before the estimated time it imploded.

 

[weltweit]

Well the key designer died with their craft, the problem is that they took others with them.

I wonder if you have to take out public liability insurance in order to run something like this?

 

[equationgirl]

Well the key designer died with their craft, the problem is that they too others with them.

I wonder if you have to take out public liability insurance in order to run something like this?

They would definitely have been required by law to have some sort of insurance but given Rush's general derision of legislation I would not be surprised if they had one, or couldn't get anything other than prohibitive quotes so they self-insured (company would cover the costs itself).

I would say the latter.

 

[Artaxerxes]

They would definitely have been required by law to have some sort of insurance but given Rush's general derision of legislation I would not be surprised if they had one, or couldn't get anything other than prohibitive quotes so they self-insured (company would cover the costs itself).

I would say the latter.

From the NY article

“Stockton strategically structured everything to be out of U.S. jurisdiction” for its Titanic pursuits, the former senior OceanGate employee told me. “It was deliberate.” In a legal filing, the company reported that the submersible was “being developed and assembled in Washington, but will be owned by a Bahamian entity, will be registered in the Bahamas and will operate exclusively outside the territorial waters of the United States.” Although it is illegal to transport passengers in an unclassed, experimental submersible, “under U.S. regulations, you can kill crew,” McCallum told me. “You do get in a little bit of trouble, in the eyes of the law. But, if you kill a passenger, you’re in big trouble. And so everyone was classified as a ‘mission specialist.’ There were no passengers—the word ‘passenger’ was never used.” No one bought tickets; they contributed an amount of money set by Rush to one of OceanGate’s entities, to fund their own missions.

It will go to court but he did everything he could to minimize legal responsibility - if he'd spent as much time designing it he'd be alive.

 

[equationgirl]

From the NY article



It will go to court but he did everything he could to minimize legal responsibility - if he'd spent as much time designing it he'd be alive.

Yeah I read it that why I think he'd self insure if anything.

He'd happily have spent more on lawyers rather than just paying up.

 

[Wilf]

It's also somewhat er... ironic? that all the guff parroted in the press about them being 'explorers' appears to have been 100% part of the scam. Quite possibly doesn't actually work (again jurisdictions, laws etc), but seems the intent was to avoid them registering as paying customers, rather they would be 'partners engaged in research' or something.

I seem to remember that the ridiculous idea that this was a mixture of rich passengers and actual scientific endeavour was still being parroted by the media early in the reporting of the story. Needless to say, that fool Boris Johnson went down the same route in his daily mail article which you can read on a non-DM site, below. His blather fits perfectly with the neo-liberalism, bullying and disregard for safety shown by the twat who owned the company. Of course Johnson will never have to recant his nonsense, even if confronted by the evidence of how the CEO actually developed this lethal tin can. Could even say Stockton Rush was the Boris Johnson of the submarine world.

MSN

 

[equationgirl]

I would not be at all surprised if dubious fiscal behaviour is discovered at Oceangate. They've clearly got morally and technically dubious well covered.

 

[Dogsauce]

It’s so blatanly shonky that I’m having trouble believing that it was anything other than an elaborate plot/scam for the occupants to ‘disappear’ and live off the life insurance money.

 

[brogdale]

No shit...

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

they're not discouraged more billionaires please

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