Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Rich people tend to be the cheapest though
Titanic tourist sub missing
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I'll just leave this here:
The Greek shipwreck was a horrific tragedy. Yet it didn’t get the attention of the Titanic story | Arwa Mahdawi
Last week’s shipwreck in Greece is one of the worst tragedies there has ever been on the Mediterranean Sea. The coverage it received has been scantwww.theguardian.com
Yaaawn.
Cid
Proper break this time
That one has done 3 other wreck dives according to wiki, it would presumably just be very expensive to charter it. It's totally overbuilt for something like the titanic, it's hull is rated to 14,000m depth equivalent (presumably what they tested in Russia, since the ocean isn't that deep)... The company that built it (Triton) has designs for a (2 person) one with a fully acrylic pressure hull, so you get nice views too. But you'd have to commission one and do all the real world testing. Some have been down to Titanic in Russian DSVs but maybe that's er... not quite so possible in the current climate. China has a three person one tested to 7500m, but again... politics. The 'revolutionary' aspect of this one was to have five people on board and be in the vein of space tourism stuff. Which was a stupid thing to try on a budget.
As always, that's mostly just from a google etc rabbit hole.
teqniq
DisMembered
Why am I not surprised?
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
It's called whataboutery, and it's usually called out on this forum as a bad thing.
Perhaps because you haven't read the thread and the pages of discussion of exactly what Arwa's only just got around to.
teqniq
DisMembered
The article is not whataboutery in the least. I care not whether it makes people feel uncomfortable, it raised relevant points
maomao
普費斯
The story wasn't bigger just because it was about rich people it was because of the suspense of not knowing whether they'd be found or not, not knowing whether they'd died horribly or died really fucking horribly. The Greek shipwreck was a terrible tragedy but it was all over by the time most of us heard about it. What is there to say about it? The Titanic story has several themes, wealth, hubris, health and safety, that are worth discussing. If we allocated our discussion tine according to what caused the most deaths and the biggest tragedies we'd spend most of our time talking about cardiovascular disease and cancer.I'll just leave this here:
The Greek shipwreck was a horrific tragedy. Yet it didn’t get the attention of the Titanic story | Arwa Mahdawi
Last week’s shipwreck in Greece is one of the worst tragedies there has ever been on the Mediterranean Sea. The coverage it received has been scant
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
OK, so in your estimation it would be appropriate to post articles about actual famines happening elsewhere in the world in threads where the subject is rising food prices in the UK, where far more people are obese than starving?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You don't need to wish it, the amount there is in the world. Just sometimes Bentham's utilitarian view of punishment is fitting
teqniq
DisMembered
That is a false equivalence, have you actually read the article?
Several people wrote it on this thread before it appeared in The Guardian.
teqniq
DisMembered
i understand all this. If you haven't already I suggest you read the article. One salient point it raises is that 500 migrant lives are somehow worth less that 5 rather wealthy ones; moreover the fishing boat sinking didn't get anything like to coverage that the submersible did, likely for some of the reasons you list.
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teqniq
DisMembered
Fair enough, I haven't been subscribed to the thread up until now.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Though I do get all of this, I do think it's very valid to compare coverage, reaction, expressions of empathy and condolence etc. to 2 (news) events that happened almost simultaneously and included reporting of the comments from the very politicians that could do something to avert med/channel tragedies
nogojones
spelling is overrated
Cid
Proper break this time
I get the impression that 'it's complicated' applies. I mean as I mentioned Hamish Harding has been down on one of the Challenger deep expeditions, and he sure as fuck isn't a scientist... Whether he paid, whether he's a mate, whether there was a discount on a nearly new Gulfstream I have no idea. I think a few of Vescovo's passengers, even where they are scientists, are down more as tourists than to do actual work. There's a limited amount you can do other than look out the window, he's the one piloting it (or maybe a trained alternate). So as you say there has been a 'tourism' industry, but I think it's more that some entity is doing work around x site, and if you have the money and/or connections you can potentially get a seat. But yeah, it does seem Rush's was the only one trying to operate as a regular commercial service.
Guesswork though, pseudonarcissus might turn up with actual knowledge again.
Where does it get you though?
At best you can conclude that there's far greater ongoing global interest in the fate of (possibly) living people trapped beneath the ocean and the attempts to rescue them, than there is in the fates of a significantly greater number of migrants who died the day before. When you add in the extras that Maomao mentioned regarding the hubris, incompetence etc., that's wholly unsurprising.
Even here on U75, there's a 47 page thread about Titan, but there isn't one specifically about the Greek migrant disaster.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Touche
Numbers
an ting!
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Well played.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I think, unfortunately, it's far more about novelty than anything else.
Submarine accidents next to the Titanic aren't exactly everyday occurrences, but deathtrap boats with hundreds of people on board fleeing poverty, starvation and war, that sink and everyone on board dies - that's (disgustingly) something that happens every week.
One is a buttercup in a field of buttercups, one is an orchid in a field of buttercups.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
That's an interesting question, Spy.
As I keep saying, I do understand the media and our own interest in the small sub story but, let's face it, there'll likely never be another such thread on Urban, whilst our concerns for migrants on boats will doubtless fill countless posts over the next years.
But, that said, the almost simultaneous nature of the events (small sub & Greek sinking) do give us opportunity to highlight the deficiency of coverage of the latter type events in much of the MSM, with the honourable exception of C4News whose coverage of the boat tragedy was good.
I'm not sure why those on here that are interested in the sub story would take any exception to those wanting to use the coverage to expose the hypocrisy of capital's media.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yes, an orchid that will flower, wither and die quickly in the field of buttercups that will persist.
Doesn't stop me being sickened by the reported sadness about the orchid of politicians like Cleverly who ignore the buttercups and, in many senses, ensure their repeated 'flowering'.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
The Guardian needs to pull its socks up in that case.
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