Titanic tourist sub missing
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Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
I remember reading an autobiographical book by a woman aviator, Beryl Markham, West With the Night, which detailed some of her flights over parts of Africa that were still uncharted, when she was living in Kenya. I remembered her plane was an Avro Avian. Some time later, I randomly happened to be in the air and space gallery at Manchester Museum of Science and Industry, and I saw one of those biplanes, and it looked a bit like a model aeroplane, cobbled together with balsa wood and the wings covered in canvas. It did look like the kind of thing that was probably held together with gaffer tape at some point. I was impressed previously, but having seen one, I amazed that she'd flown in that tiny flimsy looking thing. She led quite an extraordinary life.
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I grew up with a library that didn't have a book printed after 1950. I got a good education in the "adventure" books they had. My favorite was Frances Chichester. They also had the entire Tarzan and Mars series from Edgar Rice Burroughs. Looking back, these books were chock full of "white man's burden" and "Great white hunter" themes. I was too uneducated in the world to understand that at the time. I will say one thing in their favor, they provided me with an entertainment alternative in a time and place where unhealthy drinking was the main alternative.
BigMoaner
We will all go together
I really hope tik tok doesn't replace books. I used to read when I was bored. I'm old fashioned and out of touch
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
The library world has a mantra for kids books. It's "the right book, at the right time, for the right kid." Sometimes you can save a kid's life with that combination. For me it was the Mars books and Andre Norton.
Oh god, that’s fucking chilling. That poor boy.
I‘m reading on a Canadian news site that was linked to a Guardian article that they apparently tried to abort this when they were about 1000 ft down and still had coms, but couldn’t, so there must’ve been some kind of indication that they needed to get back up. Which is less comforting than they thought they didn’t know what was coming.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Yes. I vaguely recall the book I read being full of 'tales of derring do' and I vaguely recollected her adventures sounding amazing, flying over uncharted territory, technical difficulties with the biplane, she lands in the bush in the middle of nowhere and fixes it kind of thing. There were probably lions prowling around at the time too. All sounded very marvellous and terribly brave. The thought crossed my mind, when I was writing my original post, was about to say 'Well worth reading' and then I quickly thought, Ah, maybe not, it was probably 25-30 years ago when I read it, it was set in colonial era Kenya, it probably hasn't stood the test of time very well in that respect. She did cross the Atlantic though, which was a creditable achievement, whichever way you look at it.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
So is Ringo dead too?
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
This was a White Submarine...
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Another example of doing it right is this vessel: DSV Limiting Factor - Wikipedia
And here's a look at its control system. No cheap game controllers in sight:
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
I was hoping it imploded near the octopuses garden
Flavour
hang the bankers
Link?
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
That poor kid
19-year old victim’s aunt: He was “terrified” prior to trip
www.theguardian.com
19-year old victim’s aunt: He was “terrified” prior to trip
US navy says it picked up ‘anomaly’ hours after sub began mission – as it happened
Anomaly ‘consistent with an implosion’ was detected near where craft was operating when it lost communications
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2hats
Dust.
AP is reporting that the US Navy, post event, identified an anomaly in their acoustic submarine surveillance data which was likely a signal arising from the failure of the submersible (tallied with the location and time of loss). The USN passed this information on to the USCG, which continued its search because the data were not considered to be definitive.
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pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
A couple of issues here. A pressure vessel code like ASME U uses safety factors of 3.5 or 4.0. If you’ve bought a viewing port and you believe it’s good for 4x1300m, you might be tempted to assume it’s good for 5200m. Reading some of the interviews with the guy, he said plexiglass would start cracking before failing, allowing them to come to the surface before it popped, presumably. He also said they were using acoustic means to detect overstress of the hull…ie listening for cracks forming and propagating. This is a crazy way to operate, if you are assuming safety factors are that simple. The fatigue life of the carbon fibre and particularly the connection with the titanium is guesswork. I don’t know how many stress cycles this pressure vessel has done, but it sounds like quite a few. A structure can exceed its ultimate strength once, obviously. It may be able to go to 50% ultimate strength 100 times , and 25% 1,000 times. With steel there is a lot of data for the S-N curves (the graph of stress vs number of cycles to failure). Even then, there is a huge amount of scatter. Novel structures without a huge amount test data, like carbon fibre/titanium composite structures need to be very conservatively designed, partly for the ultimate strength, but also for the fatigue strength. Add into that inspectability. Earlier we discussed that carbon fibre isn’t amenable to non-destructive examination…offshore we add a factor of 10 to the fatigue life of a structure we can’t inspect.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Maybe I'm out of tune with a lot of urbs but fwiw I reckon it's better that these poor buggers died quickly.
I don't care how rich and oppressive they were: I'm really not into wishing suffering on anyone.
I don't care how rich and oppressive they were: I'm really not into wishing suffering on anyone.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Posted by petee elsewhere:
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“Literally everything I’ve seen about this missing submarine is insane and sketchy AF… almost none of it makes any sense whatsoever,” the former president’s son wrote in a multiple question mark tweet on Wednesday. “How long till we find other external factors making it even more so???”
I mean, he's not wrong with the bolded bit, but would love to know where he's going with it (Hunter Biden's laptop?
).
and I'd question the "expert" bit of that.
Congrats to Don Jr. For Being The First To Turn The Missing Sub Into a Conspiracy Theory
Donald Trump Jr. has inexplicably gone full-conspiracy theory on the submersible vessel that went missing while diving to the Titanic.
www.mediaite.com
“Literally everything I’ve seen about this missing submarine is insane and sketchy AF… almost none of it makes any sense whatsoever,” the former president’s son wrote in a multiple question mark tweet on Wednesday. “How long till we find other external factors making it even more so???”
I mean, he's not wrong with the bolded bit, but would love to know where he's going with it (Hunter Biden's laptop?
).and I'd question the "expert" bit of that.
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Cid
Proper break this time
Another example of doing it right is this vessel: DSV Limiting Factor - Wikipedia
And here's a look at its control system. No cheap game controllers in sight:
Indeed, was going to post on that... been googling/youtubing around Victor Vescovo's (no, no idea; another random billionaire) '5 deeps' expedition, which this was built for, it is just a totally different level of operation. I mean they go to Challenger deep, which is a lot deeper, but still. In many ways still a similar order of challenge.
What's additionally baffling is that Hamish Harding has actually been on that one. Did he not raise an eyebrow at any of the shit going on in Rush's operation?
Anyway, couple of links. Though be warned it is horrifyingly TED talky
Actual dive stuff starts about half way through this:
Fill your design and overly dramatic engineering boots. There's definitely some last minute stuff in there, though it comes after they went to Russia to test the pressure hull before even submerging it... And I think it's all rush to a window for a specific test dive that was Vescovo solo. I only skimmed the video because, again, the TED talk of it all:
I'll add that, in light of Suleiman being afraid of the whole thing, the rest of them can just get to fuck at this point. At best maybe Dawood Sr was a bit in the 'Tim nice but dim' mould of rich people, but fuck they should have known better.
QueenOfGoths
Fuck you Dave!
Saw an interesting interview with James Cameron on the news this morning essentially saying, as a submersible designer himself, it's one thing to put yourself at risk in an untested vehicle but wholly irresponsible to put others in that situation.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Posted by petee elsewhere:
Congrats to Don Jr. For Being The First To Turn The Missing Sub Into a Conspiracy Theory
Donald Trump Jr. has inexplicably gone full-conspiracy theory on the submersible vessel that went missing while diving to the Titanic.
“Literally everything I’ve seen about this missing submarine is insane and sketchy AF… almost none of it makes any sense whatsoever,” the former president’s son wrote in a multiple question mark tweet on Wednesday. “How long till we find other external factors making it even more so???”
I mean, he's not wrong with the bolded bit, but would love to know where he's going with it (Hunter Biden's laptop?
and I'd question the "expert" bit of that.
Has he blamed "woke" for it yet?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It was hunter biden's game controllerPosted by petee elsewhere:
Congrats to Don Jr. For Being The First To Turn The Missing Sub Into a Conspiracy Theory
Donald Trump Jr. has inexplicably gone full-conspiracy theory on the submersible vessel that went missing while diving to the Titanic.
“Literally everything I’ve seen about this missing submarine is insane and sketchy AF… almost none of it makes any sense whatsoever,” the former president’s son wrote in a multiple question mark tweet on Wednesday. “How long till we find other external factors making it even more so???”
I mean, he's not wrong with the bolded bit, but would love to know where he's going with it (Hunter Biden's laptop?
and I'd question the "expert" bit of that.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
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It's one thing to want to do something that dangerous because of your own obsession, but taking your kids, knowing the risk, that's horrible.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Does anyone know if it's possible for wealthy tourists to visit the Titanic in a proper vessel like this at greater expense, or was the plastic tube the only option? I'd assume, given that these were people probably able to splash an extra million odd without too much pain, that their options were limited to one.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
These people didn't get on this milkfloat and then die because they were rich, they got on this milkfloat and died because they were cheap.
The posts upthread about other DSV's and the systems and cost involved show what the going rate of going down to 4,000m, and coming back alive, are - but these people didn't want to pay that, they decided that all that cost, testing and redundancy is for losers, and they would be fine going down there on the maritime equivalent of that forklift truck the A-Team turned into a tank that fires cabbages for a tenth of the price.
This thing isn't about wealth, it's about hubris - bad stuff doesn't happen to me because of Who I Am, and because I'm Always The Smartest Guy In The Room.
The kid is a victim of his overbearing father and the fathers pride, but the rest of them..
teqniq
DisMembered
I'll just leave this here:
www.theguardian.com
The Greek shipwreck was a horrific tragedy. Yet it didn’t get the attention of the Titanic story | Arwa Mahdawi
Last week’s shipwreck in Greece is one of the worst tragedies there has ever been on the Mediterranean Sea. The coverage it received has been scant
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Hence my question above. The news about Titan is chaffing-up my googling, but I can't find much about other more responsible outfits offering such trips for more money, though there are references to Titanic tourism having existed for 30 years.
Some things you just can't do. Until recently the only way for civilians to fly in current jet fighters was to chuck the Russian military 20 grand, and I guess if a billionaire offered the British Army a quarter mill for a go in an Apache, he'd be told to fuck off.
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