Ranbay
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Cardiff car crash: Three of missing five found dead
The car was found in the early hours two days after the group went missing after a night out.
www.bbc.co.uk
This is right by my office! roads closed all around the A48 St Mellons - Traffic accident - people have died
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nogojones
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I saw they were missing since Fri. Must have gone right off the road and stuck there for a dayCardiff car crash: Three of missing five found dead
The car was found in the early hours two days after the group went missing after a night out.www.bbc.co.uk
Ranbay
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Shit! nightmare
that's mad they couldn't find a car there for 2 days??
That's a long straight road before the roundabout, they must have been doing some speed to go off and nobody see the car!
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
It seems incredible in this day and age with quite likely 5 mobile phones in the car.
EDIT:- just checked and there's good coverage ...
EDIT:- just checked and there's good coverage ...
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WouldBe
Dislicksick
Makes no difference if your unconscious.
Pictures on BBC news shows the car in a ditch amongst trees which would make it difficult to see.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I suppose it takes a lot to get access to mobile phone network data when there's no crime involved and on a weekend....Makes no difference if your unconscious.
Pictures on BBC news shows the car in a ditch amongst trees which would make it difficult to see.
Sounds like it, according to the bbc the car crashed sometime after 0200 Saturday morningHeard about this earlier. horrible. SO the 2 that got taken to hospital, they were presumably also just laid out there injured for days?
Seems no one in the car was able to call 999, its very easy to picture a scenario where the occupants were trapped in the car not able to move and assuming they’re even conscious, are unable to reach a phone most likely knocked from their hands during the crash
yeah. As mentioned too the cold, lack of water etc never mind being actually injured out there. You just hope it was sudden death for those who didn't make it.
Recently a car of 3 went into the Avon just opposite my old flat. 1 died. I suppose you don't expect such dramatic crashes in the middle of a city but of course must happen quite often.
this was all about 400 meters from my office
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Silly Rabbit
Makes no difference if your unconscious.
Pictures on BBC news shows the car in a ditch amongst trees which would make it difficult to see.
thought having you phone in your pocket was more accurate about your position?
lot of people use it for GPS whey cannot tell were you are from that...
maybe swing by a car for a welfare check
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
4G cells are quite large - hundreds of metres - but sufficient for a job like that - 5 phones being repeatedly pinged by several towers...
I suspect we'll find it's procedures regarding privacy and needing a magistrate to facilitate...
But 5 missing millenials not responding to phone calls... perhaps it wasn't known that they were all in the same car ...
Perhaps it wasn't known they were all in the same party ...
Ranbay
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not all from same area, so maybe they picked the girls up. im sure will all come out soon.,
Yossarian
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The mother of one of the two who survived is accusing police of not taking the disappearance seriously enough.
Sophie's mother Anna Certowicz hit out at police for doing what she claimed amounted to "sod all", and said she believed they assumed she was "hungover somewhere".
The 42-year-old said she drove around Gwent and Cardiff to look for her daughter.
"They didn't seem to care. I had to drive to Cardiff to knock on doors myself because they were doing sod all. They just didn't seem to think it was worth investigating. It was so frustrating," she told the Mail.
"I think they assumed that Sophie was hungover somewhere, but she's a sensible girl who works in a bank and hasn't taken a day off for three years... She wouldn't just vanish like this unless something was wrong."
www.lbc.co.uk
Sophie's mother Anna Certowicz hit out at police for doing what she claimed amounted to "sod all", and said she believed they assumed she was "hungover somewhere".
The 42-year-old said she drove around Gwent and Cardiff to look for her daughter.
"They didn't seem to care. I had to drive to Cardiff to knock on doors myself because they were doing sod all. They just didn't seem to think it was worth investigating. It was so frustrating," she told the Mail.
"I think they assumed that Sophie was hungover somewhere, but she's a sensible girl who works in a bank and hasn't taken a day off for three years... She wouldn't just vanish like this unless something was wrong."
Haunting final CCTV image of missing friends who vanished after night out in Wales before three found dead in car crash
Haunting CCTV thought to be among the final moments of three youngsters from a group of five missing people in Wales has emerged.
www.lbc.co.uk
Look at it the other way - being able to pinpoint the gps is unlikely to be just a case of pressing a button, it probably has a layer of bureaucracy to it and a process to follow for compliance, as presumably it’s quite an intrusive thing which needs to be used proportionately?
Would you want any old copper to be able to work out where you are at the click of a button. Wasn’t that what some of the 5G / covid vaccine conspiracy theories were about?
Cid
Proper break this time
They were all adults. Don't the police not treat adults as not missing untill 2/3 days after they've gone missing? So wouldn't have a reason to try and locate them by using GPS.
That's a myth isn't it (the 2/3 days)? Entirely dependent on circumstances. Although it can be both a myth (as general policy) and true (because... well... it's the police) I suppose.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Analysis of mobile phone data might reveal rather more than one might want in terms of accidental "discovery" - unless the analysis algorithms were overseen by specialised lawyers...
For those of us likely to head off alone into the wilderness, I definitely think there's scope for opting-in to having your phone ping a password-access website with your rough location - with triggered calls if the owner doesn't check-in periodically - though of course there may well not actually be phone coverage...
If I was in charge of a vulnerable person, I would definitely be considering a discreet tracking tag ...
For those of us likely to head off alone into the wilderness, I definitely think there's scope for opting-in to having your phone ping a password-access website with your rough location - with triggered calls if the owner doesn't check-in periodically - though of course there may well not actually be phone coverage...
If I was in charge of a vulnerable person, I would definitely be considering a discreet tracking tag ...
Sasaferrato
We've been together now for twenty years...
Police Scotland did the same thing, the difference was that the accident was reported to them, and they did nothing for three days.Shit! nightmare
that's mad they couldn't find a car there for 2 days??
Police Scotland apologises for failings that contributed to car crash death
Force fined £100,000 over incident in which woman lay undiscovered for three days after crash was reported
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Plod's initial response seems reasonable to me tbh, they were last seen all together at 2am Saturday morning and they issued an appeal for info Sunday evening. 99.999% of the time people who disappear like this are indeed hungover somewhere. I can understand that her Mum would get wound up on the grounds that she is her Mum but every parent in the country goes through this at some point. You can't expect Plod to launch a massive search every single time someone says their son/daughter hasn't come home. They have to make a decision as to whether someone is likely to be vulnerable. Her daughter wasn't on her own she was with a group of friends.The mother of one of the two who survived is accusing police of not taking the disappearance seriously enough.
Sophie's mother Anna Certowicz hit out at police for doing what she claimed amounted to "sod all", and said she believed they assumed she was "hungover somewhere".
The 42-year-old said she drove around Gwent and Cardiff to look for her daughter.
"They didn't seem to care. I had to drive to Cardiff to knock on doors myself because they were doing sod all. They just didn't seem to think it was worth investigating. It was so frustrating," she told the Mail.
"I think they assumed that Sophie was hungover somewhere, but she's a sensible girl who works in a bank and hasn't taken a day off for three years... She wouldn't just vanish like this unless something was wrong."
Haunting final CCTV image of missing friends who vanished after night out in Wales before three found dead in car crash
Haunting CCTV thought to be among the final moments of three youngsters from a group of five missing people in Wales has emerged.
Plumdaff
joy in people
There's an element of South Wales and Gwent Police reaping what they sow here in terms of community distrust after several very dubious deaths following police contact in recent years. I'm sympathetic that they had a massive search area here between Newport and Porthcawl and a hidden crash site, but it's happening in the context of strong evidence that certain lives don't matter.
It wasn’t that the police couldn’t locate them it’s that they couldn’t be arsed to search. I think it was a search party that found them in the end.
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