Things you really hate about the Premier League
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souljacker
innit
5. Norwich being in it
Steel Icarus
we move
How difficult it is to stay in it 
deadringer
meat pie sausage roll
How difficult it is to break into the established top 4
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
these are all fwp compared to the retention of money by the pl which could go to supporting grassroots football. compared to that the raising of the arsenal flag or whatnot utterly insignificant.
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Starry Wisdom
not something peculiar to the pl,tours. do you hate the spanish top flight?
BCBlues
Lend us a Twenner
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Starry Wisdom
Cant say it bothers me
I just answered the thread title.
i don't see why you extrapolate from your sad but predictable experience at chelsea to damn the pl with something more generally available at e.g. wembley, barcelona, etc etc.
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hiraethified
Those fucking ridiculous Arsenal flags - complete with permanently on-hand lackeys to lift them up on cue to create a TV-pleasing 'event' - are a perfect example of what's wrong with the game. The 'spectacle' has to be controlled by the club - either because the fans are incapable of creatng anything themselves or because they want to get something that looks good for their global TV-rights-boosting appeal.
If I was an Arsenal fan I'd be rightly embarrassed by them.
BCBlues
Lend us a Twenner
Because years ago if i wanted a "stadium tour" i would go down on a Sunday, climb over the railway fence and have a stroll round. Chelsea's involvement in the PL has changed this into something i hate.
Question/Answer. Simple. For some.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i thought you'd have an interest in the iniquitous influence of the pl on the wider game, of the small but important sums which flowed from the top flight to the lower echelons of football, but you'd rather concentrate on trimmings like music and flags than the strucural inequalities the pl fosters. i must say i'm disappointed.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh. for some. for the people who could nip over the fence on a sunday. who already knew the history of the club. but not for the majority of the people interested in finding out about the stadium and who, for a range of reasons, didn't want to or couldn't join you on your sunday strolls.
comrade spurski
Well-Known Member
It costing so much that I can rarely afford to go with my daughters
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hiraethified
It's part and parcel of the same disease. If fans accept corporate shit like officially sanctioned flag wavers, then they'll take all the other crap that comes with The Premier League Experience.
What's your opinion of the flagwaving nonsense? Is that what you like to see at football? Do you ever even go to games?
Dr. Furface
One small step for me
I agree with you about the flags, although it should be noted that it's not just Arsenal - Derby have them too.
It occurred to me that my team, Villa, might have them as well. But how's anyone to know?!
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hiraethified
Burn them! Burn them I say!
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Starry Wisdom
you have it wrong: people first accepted the structural shit and then these trimmings were brought in: flag raising didn't happen iirc at highbury. as for my going to games as i've said numerous times before i used to go, i used to have a season ticket, but i was priced out. maybe in your eyes that makes me, and many thousands like me, lesser fans. but it's the people who continue to pay ludicrous monsy who encourage pl clubs to bring in the stuff you complain about.
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hiraethified
You seem strangely reluctant to condemn Arsenal's shitty corporate flag wavers, or, indeed, the club that you say priced you out.
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Starry Wisdom
i don't care about the flagwavers who so exercise you because when weighed against the wider effects on the game from the pl's existence the flags weigh as light as a feather. as for my condemning arsenal, i don't condemn to your agenda. yes, i was very exercised about it in the past. but my saying 'bastards' years after the event while it might satisfy you wouldn't do the same for me.
skyscraper101
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this fucking corporate plinth the ref picks up the official sponsored nike ball from at the start of games
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hiraethified
Enjoy your life as a TV-watching football fan then.
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hiraethified
Now that is spectacularly fucking crap.this fucking corporate plinth the ref picks up the official sponsored nike ball from at the start of games
skyscraper101
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In fact, lets have the stupid yellow nike balls while we're at it too. Balls should be traditional white with black markings. Yellow or orange only for snow covered pitches.
Fans of high end PL teams thinking that football only exists above 12th place in the Premier League.
Dickhead fans who belittle every other club and then turn on their own after conceding.
Chelsea fans.
Chelsea fans who call Man City a money made club when statistically City have always had decent attendances and fans, investment has just pushed them more into the TV life of the Premier League.
Arsenal fans who claim they have the best fans in the league.
Dickhead fans who belittle every other club and then turn on their own after conceding.
Chelsea fans.
Chelsea fans who call Man City a money made club when statistically City have always had decent attendances and fans, investment has just pushed them more into the TV life of the Premier League.
Arsenal fans who claim they have the best fans in the league.
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