The UK banking system

[zArk]

You aren't going to convince me of anything based on Baudrillard because I think he's a ponce.

ahhhhh right.

clap clap clap clap clap

wonderful response

 

[zArk]

Fuck, stop whining and propose some worthwhile concrete alternative and maybe I'll take you seriously. Otherwise, just bugger off to davidicke.com.

explain how you think

money as commodity affects capitalism

 

[Bernie Gunther]

If you had some substance to offer, you'd have offered it by now. You evidently don't so all you can do is make empty gestures. Go read Marx.

 

[zArk]

If you had some substance to offer, you'd have offered it by now. You evidently don't so all you can do is make empty gestures. Go read Marx.

come on Bernie

just tell me your ideas on how

money as comoodity affects capitalism

help me out here man

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Well, let's see. How about you give us your take on primitive accumulation. Is it an historical curisosity or is it happening today?

 

[Jazzz]

I think you and your friends have made some fairly interesting arguments, but links from prisonplanet and gnn do not convince me of anything much.

Call me a hard-ass if you like, but I am unlikely to support arguments that use such sources.

I haven't linked to either prisonplanet nor gnn on this thread.

So what on earth are you on about?

You didn't even glimpse at the links I repeated for you! So much for your 'precision'.

May I add there aren't any posters speaking for me on this thread.

 

[zArk]

Well, let's see. How about you give us your take on primitive accumulation. Is it an historical curisosity or is it happening today?

who is 'us'?

you wrote 'give us'. is that a local slang or meaning there are a few people asking?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Nice dodge, but it doesn't enhance your credibility zark.

 

[zArk]

Nice dodge, but it doesn't enhance your credibility zark.

eh?

i dont understand what you mean.

is this your method of explaining how

money as commodity affects capitalism?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

No, it's my method of testing whether you are a charlatan.

 

[revol68]

who is 'us'?

you wrote 'give us'. is that a local slang or meaning there are a few people asking?

hmm your reading of Baudruillard is rather crude, just cos something is entirely signs doesn't mean it is not real, or a myth. Baudrillard would rather say that the sign is reality, there is no escaping the sign.

You seem to leave out this part of baudrillard, where are you if you are debasing the myth of the sign? Surely there is no outside?

 

[zArk]

No, it's my method of testing whether you are a charlatan.

you are a method man? how many styles do you have?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I'm firm but fair, if you have some real answers then I'll take you seriously.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

So far though, you're sounding like a bullshitter.

It should be easy for you to respond to the simple challenges I offered earlier.

 

[zArk]

So far though, you're sounding like a bullshitter.

It should be easy for you to respond to the simple challenges I offered earlier.

as easy as you have found answering

how does money as commodity affect capitalism?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

So, I take it that you can't answer that simple question about primitive accumulation?

 

[zArk]

we are at the threshold and there is no turning away from the inevitable.

Time is irrespective, the question has been posed and the system is in danger, it will react violently in order to preserve itself.

The system wishes only to exist and to do so must be invested in.

The question holds the system together and the answer will be avoided at all costs





how does money as commodity affect capitalism?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I'm afraid that still sounds like evasive mystical bullshit to me.

 

[zArk]

I'm afraid that still sounds like evasive mystical bullshit to me.

it is natural to be afraid of non-existance

 

[phildwyer]

Hmmmm...who do I think understands more. Slaar who has a degree in economics from Cambridge or you who believes that lizards rule the world. Hmmmm...

*scratches head*

A degree in economics from Cambridge don't impress me none. If it comes to a competition about academic credentials I can blow anyone out of the water quite easily, so maybe you should all just agree with me then? You twit, Blagsta. Let's not fall back on such empty boasting, let's focus on the *arguments* being presented here. As far as I can tell, Zark is a Baudrillardian, with all that implies. Zark, I'd like to know whether you accept the labour theory of value or whether, like your master, you believe it to be an essentialist myth. Please don't evade the question as you have done with Bernie's queries. Ta.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

That also sounds like evasive mystical bullshit. Say something concrete and I'll take you seriously zark.

 

[phildwyer]

You creepy fool, Bloom. It would be incredibly silly for anyone to lie about their location on here, because the Mods can tell where we're posting from. You creepy, creepy man. I am in Miami Beach, and tomorrow I will be in Cartagena, and you are nothing but a jealous creep. You make my flesh crawl actually. Ugh. Creep.

 

[Azrael23]

I haven't linked to either prisonplanet nor gnn on this thread.

So what on earth are you on about?

You didn't even glimpse at the links I repeated for you! So much for your 'precision'.

May I add there aren't any posters speaking for me on this thread.

I`m with you buddy.

zArk is sounding more and more wannabe mystic, we need cogency to inform.

The main point is that our government borrows money off the privately owned bank of england instead of printing its own. The banks charge interest on this conjured credit so not only do they own the money (you`ve borrowed it), they also want the interest.
Therefore the banking system is just a theft system.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Mutual support is all very admirable, but you wouldn't be getting hassled if you could make a clear case for your views based on reliable sources.

 

[phildwyer]

Mutual support is all very admirable, but you wouldn't be getting hassled if you could make a clear case for your views based on reliable sources.

I'm not quite sure where you disagree with Zark. Is it the stuff about money being a sign? Or the conquest of reality by representation? Or what?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

You know where I'm coming from Phil. I just dislike sloppy thinking.

 

[zArk]

A degree in economics from Cambridge don't impress me none. If it comes to a competition about academic credentials I can blow anyone out of the water quite easily, so maybe you should all just agree with me then? You twit, Blagsta. Let's not fall back on such empty boasting, let's focus on the *arguments* being presented here. As far as I can tell, Zark is a Baudrillardian, with all that implies. Zark, I'd like to know whether you accept the labour theory of value or whether, like your master, you believe it to be an essentialist myth. Please don't evade the question as you have done with Bernie's queries. Ta.

well, sort of a Baudrillardian but not quite. Baudrillard gives me the tools to re-invigorate Foucault [internalisation], Lacan [Mirror Stage] and Deleuze [BwO].

Labour theory of value is myth, but i wouldnt say essentialist myth.

Interest-free money would neutralise the simulation so there is nothing essential about it.

Without the simulation ruling would Labour Value exist? Wealth would be shifted from monetary judgement to moral and ethical judgements made subjectively by people who are free to judge. Whereas in the system as it stands wealth is a positioned between monetary judgement and moral and ethical judgements which are perverted by the simulation. Vibrating between two points in a space always-already constructed by the simulation. Subjectivity is compromised.
Without the interest- based monetary system, subjectivity is not caught between the two judgements. Morals and ethics emerge from the person.


My master -- heh
I wonder to myself whether i would prefer the hidden master of the simulation or being labelled Baudrillards servile student. hmmmm neither


Quote:
Originally Posted by zArk
well Donna was asking Azrael some questions and u drop in the word Lizards from nowhere.

Azreal has never in this thread, or elsewhere as far as i know, said he believes in the Lizard conspiracy.

so why did you mention it?

cheap laughs?



Another flaming shitehawk who thinks he's died and become a mod.

You obviously haven't seen any of Azrael23's other posts on other threads. Which means you need to get out more.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I'm sorry but this still sounds like mystical bullshit invented by people who have not given serious thought to the question of what we eat come the revolution.

 

[zArk]

I'm sorry but this still sounds like mystical bullshit invented by people who have not given serious thought to the question of what we eat come the revolution.

well if producing food requires an interest-based monetary system, how do you explain breast milk?

and nature growing food for us to eat?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

More evasive bullshit.

Give me some concrete answers and I'll take you seriously.