The UK banking system

[In Bloom]

Just to put things in context, I'm being mocked by a man who referred to Jack fucking Chick as a "genius." You've gotta love it

 

[zArk]

No, I mean the Biblical "man of sin" who usurps the place of Christ and is Satan's vicar on earth. Traditionally identified by Protestants with the Catholic church.

ok, in a western biblical sense yes, i understand.
the word made flesh

it is very interesting to read the start of the story;

In the beginning was the word and the word was God. [depending on translation of course]

The christian model is defining and controlling but that said, freedom of speech and expression is important. I for one will not bow down before self-appointed people before God - the Queen and i will not bow down before the annointed representative of God - the Pope. God cannot be defined and if God is, then that is Satanic.
These very institutions are incredibly obsessed with producing money. The illuminati, or the scientific religion, are also obsessed with this control valve.

Its incredible.

The gospel was told, some souls it swallowed whole
Mentally they fold, and they eventually sold
their life and times, deadly like the virus design
but too, minute to dilute, the scientist mind

the scientist though looks on the structure of the money system and attempts to control, the uncontrollable. Satan cannot be controlled but the scientists think they can.

 

[phildwyer]

Just to put things in context, I'm being mocked by a man who referred to Jack fucking Chick as a "genius." You've gotta love it

Part of the fun in arguing with Bloom is that he is utterly impervious to irony or sarcasm. But tell us, O Bloom, do you mean to imply that capital does not aim at world domination? Or that to draw attention to this fact is somehow eccentric? Or that pre-modern terminology has no place in such discourse. Or what?

 

[phildwyer]

ok, in a western biblical sense yes, i understand.
the word made flesh

it is very interesting to read the start of the story;

In the beginning was the word and the word was God. [depending on translation of course]

The christian model is defining and controlling but that said, freedom of speech and expression is important. I for one will not bow down before self-appointed people before God - the Queen and i will not bow down before the annointed representative of God - the Pope. God cannot be defined and if God is, then that is Satanic.

But God *can* be defined. The New Testament defines God as the Platonic "logos," which not coincidentally is the target of postmodernist philosophy.

 

[zArk]

But God *can* be defined. The New Testament defines God as the Platonic "logos," which not coincidentally is the target of postmodernist philosophy.

I am totally with you, on that. God can be defined, a peverse bastardisation of infinity.

Co-incidence is an intregral part of the system. Co-incidence can highlight the system but not to the point of controlling it. Just as an expose'

and yes, post-modern theory attempts to define its God but again i draw attention back to the 'secreted' basis of these theories. The lack of analysis of the production of money.

 

[phildwyer]

I am totally with you, on that.

Well, if God is logos, and if postmodernism is anti-logocentric, what does that make postmodernism?

 

[zArk]

Well, if God is logos, and if postmodernism is anti-logocentric, what does that make postmodernism?

*late edit* and yes, post-modern theory attempts to define its God but again i draw attention back to the 'secreted' basis of these theories. The lack of analysis of the production of money.

 

[In Bloom]

Part of the fun in arguing with Bloom is that he is utterly impervious to irony or sarcasm. But tell us, O Bloom, do you mean to imply that capital does not aim at world domination? Or that to draw attention to this fact is somehow eccentric? Or that pre-modern terminology has no place in such discourse. Or what?

None of the above. Merely that your ravings about the Catholic church being the anti-Christ and the use value of an object existing in it's "essence" sound fairly similar to the deluded ramblings of a particular subset of fundamentalist.

 

[phildwyer]

your ravings about the Catholic church being the anti-Christ

A most scurrilous misrepresentation. I believe *all* Christian churches are Antichrist.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Yeah, but the Catholic Church is the Antichrist's Antichrist. The ur-Antichrist. The Antichrist qua Antichrist. The Antichristman of the Year. The Most Valuable Antichrist. The Antichrist of the Match.

 

[Blagsta]

woah, phil and i were taking marx's explanation.

i was saying that the same mistake that is in Marxist structure is throughout social, cultural and psychoanalytical theory.

Tell me where it is used in psychoanalytic theory please.

 

[zArk]

Tell me where it is used in psychoanalytic theory please.

ego and superego

 

[Blagsta]

ego and superego

thats not an explanation, thats you chucking out buzzwords

 

[zArk]

thats not an explanation, thats you chucking out buzzwords

buzzwords???

its the formation of psychoanalysis

id, ego, superego

It is production of social identity through an essential self, called the unconsciousness. Ego and superego derive from Marx as in 'use value' and the id is claimed through this structure as self outside the system.
Now plug that into what i said about marx, commodities, use value, production of money and identity.

Its all about production without mention or recourse to the production of money. Once production of money is introduced the entire theorectical basis is uprooted and satillised within the very system it is [as is claimed] attempting to expose.

 

[Blagsta]

That is meaningless drivel. Very inventive drivel, but drivel nonetheless. I'll show it to my partner later who is studying psychoanalyisis at PhD level, she likes a good laugh.

 

[zArk]

That is meaningless drivel. Very inventive drivel, but drivel nonetheless. I'll show it to my partner later who is studying psychoanalyisis at PhD level, she likes a good laugh.

what a suprise response.

i was expecting "what utter crap"

but pe-yarrr respect for "drivel" blagsta

 

[In Bloom]

A most scurrilous misrepresentation. I believe *all* Christian churches are Antichrist.

Ah, well, that's perfectly sane then. My apologies.

 

[phildwyer]

Tell me where it is used in psychoanalytic theory please.

In Freudian psychoanalysis (which is of course a load of rubbish) the Father plays the role of the "general equivalent:" a hypostatized, idealized element in terms of which the other elements of the system express their value. This corresponds to the role played by money in Marxian economics.

 

[In Bloom]

buzzwords???

its the formation of psychoanalysis

id, ego, superego

It is production of social identity through an essential self, called the unconsciousness. Ego and superego derive from Marx as in 'use value' and the id is claimed through this structure as self outside the system.
Now plug that into what i said about marx, commodities, use value, production of money and identity.

Its all about production without mention or recourse to the production of money. Once production of money is introduced the entire theorectical basis is uprooted and satillised within the very system it is [as is claimed] attempting to expose.

Is that translatable into English, perchance?

 

[Blagsta]

what a suprise response.

i was expecting "what utter crap"

but pe-yarrr respect for "drivel" blagsta

It is utter crap. Unless you can demonstrate an actual understanding of psychoanalytical concepts, I'll continue to laugh at you. Now, quote me some Freud or even better some Klein to back up your views.

 

[phildwyer]

That is meaningless drivel. Very inventive drivel, but drivel nonetheless. I'll show it to my partner later who is studying psychoanalyisis at PhD level, she likes a good laugh.

It might help your case if you were able to explain *why* you think Zark is mistaken rather than simply hurling abuse and referring us to the all-knowing authority of you absent "partner."

 

[Blagsta]

Is that translatable into English, perchance?

Don't worry, it doesn't actually mean anything at all.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Evidently

I'll show it to my partner later who is studying psychoanalyisis at PhD level, she likes a good laugh.

.

 

[phildwyer]

It is utter crap. Unless you can demonstrate an actual understanding of psychoanalytical concepts, I'll continue to laugh at you.

Then what should we do to you? For you are far from demonstrating any knowledge of *anything at all* either on this thread or any other. It seems that you are capable only of insolent mockery.

 

[phildwyer]

Don't worry, it doesn't actually mean anything at all.

I trust you have cleared this opinion with your "partner?"

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Isn't the whole point of mockery that it is insolent?

 

[In Bloom]

Don't worry, it doesn't actually mean anything at all.

I suspect as much, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Blagsta]

I suspect as much, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Its like he's got some cultural studies and critical theory texts and done a Burroughs style cut up. Maybe its an art project of some kind.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

A career as a pop music journalist cannot be far off.

 

[In Bloom]

Oh, and

Yeah, but the Catholic Church is the Antichrist's Antichrist. The ur-Antichrist. The Antichrist qua Antichrist. The Antichristman of the Year. The Most Valuable Antichrist. The Antichrist of the Match.