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The Tuts make dubious allegations after Brixton Windmill gig

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Citizen66 said:
So the police are no use for justice until you want money for your stolen car? I see.
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of course. to drive i am forced to get insurance. to claim, i need a crime number. if my mom could give out crime numbers i would phone her but she can't.
also, the car could be used in the committing of a crime. if it wasn't reported stolen, i would be responsible. same for speeding tickets.

it's not rocket science. you know all this.

i am touched by your faith in the metropolitan police's ability to bring justice to the victims of racism, i really am. i'm not laughing or anything. did enid blyton write your world?
 
discokermit said:
of course. to drive i am forced to get insurance. to claim, i need a crime number. if my mom could give out crime numbers i would phone her but she can't.
also, the car could be used in the committing of a crime. if it wasn't reported stolen, i would be responsible. same for speeding tickets.

it's not rocket science. you know all this.

i am touched by your faith in the metropolitan police's ability to bring justice to the victims of racism, i really am. i'm not laughing or anything. did enid blyton write your world?
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Well, there's an accusation of assault too. From both sides. I don't think all this smearing business is on at all. Do you believe in guilty before being proven innocent? If you do then fair enough but I must say I don't agree with that stance. If you believe in innocent until proven guilty then by which courts would you consider has the authority to uphold that sentiment that also circumvents the police?

Which is why it's EXACTLY the same as you having to involve the police if your car is stolen if you want to claim insurance. It's because that's how the society we live in operates. Regardless of your personal feelings tiwards the old bill (which chimes with my own, incidentally).
 
discokermit said:
of course. to drive i am forced to get insurance. to claim, i need a crime number. if my mom could give out crime numbers i would phone her but she can't.
also, the car could be used in the committing of a crime. if it wasn't reported stolen, i would be responsible. same for speeding tickets.
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What if a member of your family got attacked? You'd slate them if they went to the police? Wouldn't you then also be complicit in any further crimes the perpetrator commited whilst remaining at liberty due to your silence; which could be worse than crimes commited in your stolen car?

I suspect you're being completely disingenuous here in order to score some cheap political point.
 
ddraig said:
strangely silent today tho init
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maybe they've sobered up...

certainly from the point of view of them defending their mate etc regardless of the actual situation at the gig I can see why people might get arsey with them I mean wildly accusatory comments to others yet expecting others to reserve judgment, from attacking an entire forum and it's community because they're not instantly believing things until you've got you know the two sides of a story...

seems like pathetic angsty teenagers too me... at least urbans teen crew became anarkids or anon and were rebelling against something wtf are these jokers rebelling against...

What's the bettering these McPunk kids don't ever contribute a damn thing to urban ever again...

BTW kids it's not punk if it's post 77 period... calling your dirge inspired US sell out McRock McPunk is like calling Burgers gourmet food; people look at you funny and then dismiss you as knowing fuck all about fuck all...


Oh and if it really was a racist indicent and you don't report it to the police and get them to provide a crime number/incident number then you're as bad as the racist themselves; tactic support of racism includes ignoring it and brushing it under the carpet... this includes refusing to report it in the first place.

Dick_of_kermit or whatever your useless name is the whole snitch thing has been done to death, we're not 12 any more it's not acceptable to maintain walls when it comes to issues like this anyone who thinks that there shouldn't be legal involvement is a cunt...
 
Citizen66 said:
What if a member of your family got attacked? You'd slate them if they went to the police? Wouldn't you also be complicit in any further crimes they commited whilst remaining at liberty which could be worse than crimes commited in your stolen car?

I suspect you're being completely disingenuous here in order to score some cheap political point.
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who have i slated for calling cops?

i've slated people saying she should call the cops as if that will be any answer. also the people who hinted that as the cops didn't take any action, there is no case to be answered.

i'm not trying to score points, i just find your legitimisation of bourgeois "justice" and smears against the possible victim of a racist attack baffling from someone who knows better. it's not about getting to the bottom of what happened, in fact it deliberately confuses things.
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
Dick_of_kermit or whatever your useless name is the whole snitch thing has been done to death, we're not 12 any more it's not acceptable to maintain walls when it comes to issues like this anyone who thinks that there shouldn't be legal involvement is a cunt...
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fuck off and mind your own business, you massive cunt.

it's not even the snitch argument, you thick twat.
 
discokermit said:
who have i slated for calling cops?

i've slated people saying she should call the cops as if that will be any answer. also the people who hinted that as the cops didn't take any action, there is no case to be answered.

i'm not trying to score points, i just find your legitimisation of bourgeois "justice" and smears against the possible victim of a racist attack baffling from someone who knows better. it's not about getting to the bottom of what happened, in fact it deliberately confuses things.
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I'm not 'legitimising' bourgeois justice. But aside of trying to destroy his business through smears, or organising some kind of vigilante mob to descend on the windmill with burning torches, what options are there? I despise racism but i'm not a fan of people attacking someone and completely circumventing the assumption of innocence either. If I was in his shoes and thought I'd done no wrong I'd prefer my day in court to argue my case than to have a permanent stain against me everytime someone googled my name that i had no way of countering. What do you suggest?
 
Citizen66 said:
I'm not 'legitimising' bourgeois justice. But aside of trying to destroy his business through smears, or organising some kind of vigilante mob to descend on the windmill with burning torches, what options are there? I despise racism but i'm not a fan of people attacking someone and completely circumventing the assumption of innocence either. If I was in his shoes and thought I'd done no wrong I'd prefer my day in court to argue my case than to have a permanent stain against me everytime someone googled my name that i had no way of countering. What do you suggest?
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i don't suggest anything. to be honest, i don't give much of a fuck about the windmill or shitty indypop bands. i'm just bothered by the line of argument from some people who should know better. "he should have his day in court to clear his name"? honestly, it's laughable.

i'm not having a personal dig, you know i love you gorgeous, but that and sneery "ooh that's sexist" gags coming from some people, are baffling.

just think of the people you sound like. especially when you're on a thread read by lots of newcomers.
 
discokermit said:
i don't suggest anything. to be honest, i don't give much of a fuck about the windmill or shitty indypop bands. i'm just bothered by the line of argument from some people who should know better. "he should have his day in court to clear his name"? honestly, it's laughable.

i'm not having a personal dig, you know i love you gorgeous, but that and sneery "ooh that's sexist" gags coming from some people, are baffling.

just think of the people you sound like. especially when you're on a thread read by lots of newcomers.
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Have you actually read the full thread? There's some context you're missing there you see.
 
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