The Trump presidency
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CRI
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Racist sack of shit.
The proposed wall along the U.S.-Mexico border could be paid for by reducing erroneously issued tax credits that go to “mostly Mexicans,” said Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Sunday.
The proposed wall along the U.S.-Mexico border could be paid for by reducing erroneously issued tax credits that go to “mostly Mexicans,” said Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Sunday.
J Ed
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Almost as if CRI doesn't actually care and or is being led by the nose like an idiot farm animal who believes whatever the remnants of a failed neoliberal presidential campaign are using on a day to day basis to justify their total incompetence
stethoscope
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Quite, but its the seeming incapability/refusal to even engage with others that really gets me. There is absolutely no discussion to be had, no politics seemingly there at all, it's almost automaton-like. And endless regurgitating of articles and clickbaity stuff that is not up for any debate whatsoever. It's fucked up the forum.
J Ed
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Yes, CRI does seem like basically a conduit for Twitter. They also seem to just block anyone who might get them to think beyond this behaviour which i agree seems almost automated.
bimble
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That interview he gave is quite extraordinary.
Interesting the bit at the end where Trump talks about having recently discovering the astonishing ability to turn off the tv and ignore all negative coverage.
"I never thought I had that ability. I always thought I'd watch.. And you know what that is, that's a great, it's a great thing because you leave, you leave for work in the morning you know, you're, you don't watch this total negativity. I never thought I'd be able to do that and for me, it's so easy to do now. Just don't watch."
Interesting the bit at the end where Trump talks about having recently discovering the astonishing ability to turn off the tv and ignore all negative coverage.
"I never thought I had that ability. I always thought I'd watch.. And you know what that is, that's a great, it's a great thing because you leave, you leave for work in the morning you know, you're, you don't watch this total negativity. I never thought I'd be able to do that and for me, it's so easy to do now. Just don't watch."
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bimble
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That doesn't even make any sense does it what she said. Sad. that's the one bit of the tv debates where i was impressed by her apparently genuine conviction.
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So much in it is disturbing. Did you notice the many gaps that are described as "unintelligible?" This wasn't say, a recording from a noisy rally. It was a one to one interview in the White House. Passages were "unintelligible" either because he mumbled and couldn't be heard (but presumably the interviewer would have asked him to repeat and speak up a bit) or what he said didn't make sense, as in was "word salad."
It's a struggle already to understand what other parts mean, so the missing sections must have been awful.
Shot through the interview is evidence of narcissistic tendencies, like the bit where he had bad press before, but assumed the media would like him after he won.
So he blether on about his popularity, how good his chemistry is with world leaders, how he's chosen all the best people, that everything he's doing is better than what came before, etc. He still doesn't understand why everyone doesn't love him now. That's the reason he ran for President.
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bimble
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ye but at least he didn't use an unsecured server for his emails.
CRI
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Naw, just an old android phone with a Twitter account set up with Gmail. :-(
Actually, I think it was confirmed RNC was hacked, so the stuff about GOP having better cyber security is just more baloney. Half his team were communicating via Gmail, so. . .
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Yuwipi Woman
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At the risk of starting shit, yes, I believe its possible to be "pro-life" and a Feminist. The argument that one made to me basically goes: "the reason abortions happen are because all of the institutions a woman needs to thrive in the world are male institutions, geared to male life patterns, which don't include giving birth. If those institutions were re-patterned around female lifecycles, abortion would become unnecessary." I can agree with some of that argument, but I don't think those institutions will change any time soon. Until we reach that Utopian ideal, we have abortion.
J Ed
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I don't really have a position on whether it is possible or not, I don't really think it's my place to have one. I was simply using this as an example of CRI and her fellow travellers.
CRI
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I think it's possible to have personal views that don't align with the majority in a campaign, political party, social movement, etc., but the line comes if you try and impose your view in policy or law that would restrict the human rights of other people. If the strength of views comes to outweigh identification with the group in other ways, the best action is to leave and put your energies into something you can support with less discomfort and feel you're achieving something.
With regard to the Democratic party, what I took away from Cruz distancing himself from Sanders' comments during the "Unity Tour" was that Democrats running for office, and those already in office must support reproductive health choice as a party position - i.e. not sponsor legislation or vote in ways that would curtail choice. If they can do this while personally opposing abortion or contraception, no problem. Also, I didn't get that he was saying you had to be pro choice to be a Democrat or to vote for one.
However, I know particularly for some fundamentalist Christians, abortion is THE issue their votes are based on, above everything else. Having said that, most will already be very conservative-leaning on other issues (e.g. economic, civil rights, gay rights, gun control, death penalty, etc.) so naturally have more affinity with the GOP. Watering down the Democratic party's stance on reproductive health choice, or any other core platform issues will have minimal effect in bringing this cohort of Trump voters over, and will alienate core supporters of the party at the same time. Remember, over 80% of those making calls to legislators over Trumpcare and other issues have been women - a high proportion women of colour, and many of the Democrats taking the firmest stance against the Trump administration and GOP led congress have been women and both men and women of colour. Crapping on them is just stupid.
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coley
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Easy enough, weakning the core principals of the DP in order to 'win over' possibly disaffected republicans is a dangerous road to go down, as demonstrated by our very own TB.
J Ed
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But why is this a problem when Sanders is, wrongly, thought to have done it whereas it is OK when Pelosi and Clinton actually do it?
coley
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Don't know, you asked if the post made sense, it did, if Sanders is selling out on his democratic principles then that makes him to better or worse than any other politician.
Johnny Canuck3
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But... not everyone is interested in reading a seemingly endless rehashing of the 2016 election, spiced with a monotonous heap of regurgitated 'Lyin Hillary' anecdotes, conducted by a small handful of like-minded posters.
For some, reading opinions and stories from actual American commentators and scholars, holds more interest.
J Ed
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Rehashing the generals? CRI is stuck on the week after Bernie won New Hampshire.
coley
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True, and the tweets and FB LINKS are interesting to those of US who don't do either.
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