The Pro-Putin Left

[krtek a houby]

i thought it be a good idea, when i saw this site online but its ok, i dont like this place. i am going to respond to one more person then i am gone. Its been a good experience viewing it. but not my thing

Sounds completely legit, yup

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

i thought it be a good idea, when i saw this site online but its ok, i dont like this place. i am going to respond to one more person then i am gone. Its been a good experience viewing it. but not my thing

It's not an airport. You don't have to announce departures.

 

[belboid]

At this juncture, I'd just like to add:

Insightful first comment.

Allow me to be the first to say ‘fuck off’

 

[tim]

It's not an airport. You don't have to announce departures.

I've counted them in; I've counted them out.

 

[maomao]

nah, you've got to be arsed, or paid, to accumulate those sort of videos, thats not normal is it. i found them quite interesting tbh, the aesthetic of them, how poor they were with the strobe effects and shit music, like adverts for a really cheap deoderant spray aimed at insecure teenaged boys.

The poor English felt put on and a couple of phrases in early posts suggested to me he was taking the piss. I wouldn't have thought it was difficult to get hold of enough Russian propaganda off Twitter or Telegram to wind U75 up for the evening. There's no way of proving it either way but I'm pretty sure it was a deliberate troll.

 

[8ball]

I've counted them in; I've counted them out.

Father Tim: Ministering urban’s hatchings, matchings and dispatchings since 2003.

 

[Pickman's model]

Father Tim: Ministering urban’s hatchings, matchings and dispatchings since 2003.

Our answer to max hastings

 

[Aladdin]

Clare Daly & Mick Wallace...

‘I’m not a Putin puppet’ – Irish MEP Clare Daly claims she has been ‘mischievously misrepresented’

MEP Clare Daly is claiming that she and fellow Independent MEP Mick Wallace have been represented unfairly by the “establishment media” for their stance on the war on Ukraine and wider issues in the bloc.

m.independent.ie

Two Irish MEPs vote against resolution condemning Russian war escalation

Daly and Wallace previously voted against a European Parliament resolution condemning Russia's violence in Ukraine

www.google.com

Clare in particular has been massively blinkered about Russia.

 

[Dogsauce]

Some Tankie handbags here about the ‘Anti War’ rally in the US, featuring as core participants very pro-war individuals on Russia’s side. Tracey had a habit of being wrong about stuff but is doing the stopped clock thing here, confusing some of his Putinist followers.

 

[Rimbaud]

Some Tankie handbags here about the ‘Anti War’ rally in the US, featuring as core participants very pro-war individuals on Russia’s side. Tracey had a habit of being wrong about stuff but is doing the stopped clock thing here, confusing some of his Putinist followers.

That "Rage Against the War Machine" rally is a very odd one... The Libertarian Party, Ron Paul and The Mises Caucus standing shoulder to shoulder with tankies?

 

[_Russ_]

Hmm, someone who has been indoctrinated into the cult of Putin, not a good look.
I'm sure everyone here is not suffering an even vaguely similar fate, be it to a far more subtle degree?...no sir all far too open minded and intelligent.

 

[krtek a houby]

Hmm, someone who has been indoctrinated into the cult of Putin, not a good look.
I'm sure everyone here is not suffering an even vaguely similar fate, be it to a far more subtle degree?...no sir all far too open minded and intelligent.

Everyone whut?

 

[Jeff Robinson]

More fascifist propaganda from the Stop the Ukrainians Campaign:

And yet despite this insane carnage, the political and military leaders on both sides, like their forbears in World War One, keep ordering more sacrifice and more blood. The Russian assault continues unabated. And although the city is levelled and almost surrounded, Ukraine’s President Zelensky reported on Monday that a meeting of Ukrainian generals had agreed to call up reinforcements and continue the defence of Bakhmut.

Consider the Bloodbath in Bakhmut and Join the Calls for Peace

The battle is being waged to the last scrap of flesh, not for military but primarily for geopolitical reasons...

www.stopwar.org.uk

This 'both-sidism' equates defending your country from an invading army with the actions of the invading army! An invading army that is massacring, raping and torturing civilians en masse to destroy the country's sovereignty, overturn their democracy and install a puppet dictatorship. The STW are no better than Farage and Galloway in their craven pro-imperialist stance.

 

[8ball]

More fascifist propaganda from the Stop the Ukrainians Campaign:

Consider the Bloodbath in Bakhmut and Join the Calls for Peace

The battle is being waged to the last scrap of flesh, not for military but primarily for geopolitical reasons...

www.stopwar.org.uk

This 'both-sidism' equates defending your country from an invading army with the actions of the invading army! An invading army that is massacring, raping and torturing civilians en masse to destroy the country's sovereignty, overturn their democracy and install a puppet dictatorship. The STW are no better than Farage and Galloway in their craven pro-imperialist stance.

Fascifist?

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Fascifist?

A term from Orwell: George Orwell: Pacifism and the War

 

[RD2003]

A term from Orwell: George Orwell: Pacifism and the War

Orwell, who was a good novelist/ journalist until he developed pretensions towards being a prophet, belongs to an era totally unlike the one we exist in, and misdiagnosed the nature of the threats that lay ahead. Orwell's limited offerings towards solutions for what we face have been dead in the water for some time. His influence on those who imagine that this is a war between totalitarianism (which probably doesn't now exist outside North Korea-if it ever did) and democracy says it all.

 

[8ball]

Orwell, who was a good novelist/ journalist until he developed pretensions towards being a prophet, belongs to an era totally unlike the one we exist in, and misdiagnosed the nature of the threats that lay ahead. Orwell's limited offerings towards solutions for what we face have been dead in the water for some time. His influence on those who imagine that this is a war between totalitarianism (which probably doesn't now exist outside North Korea-if it ever did) and democracy says it all.

I’m not sure you’re right about totalitarianism.

But we’ll see.

 

[RD2003]

I’m not sure you’re right about totalitarianism.

But we’ll see.

Even if it ever truly existed totalitarianism is impossible now given the opportunities for people to communicate outside imposed boundaries. We're led to believe that China, for instance, has been pulled back towards totalitarianism, but we frequently see cases of mass rebellion, as in the recent anti-Covid lockdown protests. Iran? Again regularly occurring rebellion. These displays of opposition might get put down or neutralised, but so do those which happen in western democracies, usually in a more subtle way. And when it comes down to it, both officially-designated democracies and non-democracies have a common enemy...

And whether happening in a formal democracy or otherwise, quite often the opposition is, in these days of the meltdown of all that we once took for granted, societally and ideologically, worse than that which it is rebelling against, as we saw here in our own anti-lockdown protests. I fear this is the pattern of the future.

 

[8ball]

Even if it ever truly existed totalitarianism is impossible now given the opportunities for people to communicate outside imposed boundaries. We're led to believe that China, for instance, has been pulled back towards totalitarianism, but we frequently see cases of mass rebellion, as in the recent anti-Covid lockdown protests. Iran? Again regularly occurring rebellion. These displays of opposition might get put down or neutralised, but so do those which happen in western democracies, usually in a more subtle way. And when it comes down to it, both officially-designated democracies and non-democracies have a common enemy...

And whether happening in a formal democracy or otherwise, quite often the opposition is, in these days of the meltdown of all that we once took for granted, societally and ideologically, worse than that which it is rebelling against, as we saw here in our own anti-lockdown protests. I fear this is the pattern of the future.

That’s def worth fearing if the plastic Left continues to throw any and all dissenters to the received narratives to the wolves.

 

[Humberto]

Even if it ever truly existed totalitarianism is impossible now given the opportunities for people to communicate outside imposed boundaries. We're led to believe that China, for instance, has been pulled back towards totalitarianism, but we frequently see cases of mass rebellion, as in the recent anti-Covid lockdown protests. Iran? Again regularly occurring rebellion. These displays of opposition might get put down or neutralised, but so do those which happen in western democracies, usually in a more subtle way. And when it comes down to it, both officially-designated democracies and non-democracies have a common enemy...

And whether happening in a formal democracy or otherwise, quite often the opposition is, in these days of the meltdown of all that we once took for granted, societally and ideologically, worse than that which it is rebelling against, as we saw here in our own anti-lockdown protests. I fear this is the pattern of the future.

On the contrary they are jostling over totalitarian territory.

 

[Humberto]

But you know you can't win so be nice and hopefuilly they will be kind.

 

[8ball]

But you know you can't win so be nice and hopefuilly they will be kind.

Might help to flag up whose point you are addressing

 

[RD2003]

On the contrary they are jostling over totalitarian territory.

Can't really understand what this is supposed to mean.

 

[RD2003]

That’s def worth fearing if the plastic Left continues to throw any and all dissenters to the received narratives to the wolves.

The tragedy of today's left is that it doesn't realise how it's been co-opted into being a harmless part of the system, dedicated, in the main, to perpetuating the destructive so-called culture wars.

With one proviso: those on the left who make a career out of it probably do understand this all too well.

 

[Yossarian]

We're led to believe that China, for instance, has been pulled back towards totalitarianism, but we frequently see cases of mass rebellion, as in the recent anti-Covid lockdown protests.

Frequently? Those were the biggest protests since 1989 - the government rolled back COVID measures but blamed foreign forces for the protest, then those seen as organisers started disappearing into custody, certainly nothing there would surprise Orwell


"At first, people took to the streets to express their dissatisfaction with how local governments were unable to completely and accurately implement measures introduced by the central government, but the protests were quickly exploited by foreign forces," said Lu Shaye, China's ambassador to France, according to a Chinese Foreign Ministry transcript of remarks he gave at a reception shortly after the demonstrations.

Starting Dec. 18, many of those briefly detained earlier were formally arrested, including the editor and her friends. The woman on the Der Spiegel cover was arrested as well, according to a friend.

In her video, the editor says they were forced to sign arrest notices but the space next to what crime they were being charged with, along with when and where they would be detained, had been left blank. The families of those detained were unable to keep a copy of the arrest warrants, according to two people close to them.

 

[RD2003]

Frequently? Those were the biggest protests since 1989 - the government rolled back COVID measures but blamed foreign forces for the protest, then those seen as organisers started disappearing into custody, certainly nothing there would surprise Orwell


"At first, people took to the streets to express their dissatisfaction with how local governments were unable to completely and accurately implement measures introduced by the central government, but the protests were quickly exploited by foreign forces," said Lu Shaye, China's ambassador to France, according to a Chinese Foreign Ministry transcript of remarks he gave at a reception shortly after the demonstrations.

Starting Dec. 18, many of those briefly detained earlier were formally arrested, including the editor and her friends. The woman on the Der Spiegel cover was arrested as well, according to a friend.

In her video, the editor says they were forced to sign arrest notices but the space next to what crime they were being charged with, along with when and where they would be detained, had been left blank. The families of those detained were unable to keep a copy of the arrest warrants, according to two people close to them.

Perhaps, but they weren't the first rebellions we've seen in China in the current era, even if maybe the biggest. But the point is that they took place without Tianenman-style repression, which took place in a China which had supposedly been moving away from 'totalitarianism.'

 

[krtek a houby]

The tragedy of today's left is that it doesn't realise how it's been co-opted into being a harmless part of the system, dedicated, in the main, to perpetuating the destructive so-called culture wars.

With one proviso: those on the left who make a career out of it probably do understand this all too well.

Thankfully, we have wise sages like your good self to show us the error of our ways.

 

[RD2003]

Thankfully, we have wise sages like your good self to show us the error of our ways.

We don't. that's the problem. Like you, I am no sage but just a twat posting on a forum that only a few dozen will ever read.

 

[ska invita]

Even if it ever truly existed totalitarianism is impossible now given the opportunities for people to communicate outside imposed boundaries. We're led to believe that China, for instance, has been pulled back towards totalitarianism, but we frequently see cases of mass rebellion, as in the recent anti-Covid lockdown protests. Iran? Again regularly occurring rebellion. These displays of opposition might get put down or neutralised, but so do those which happen in western democracies, usually in a more subtle way. And when it comes down to it, both officially-designated democracies and non-democracies have a common enemy...

And whether happening in a formal democracy or otherwise, quite often the opposition is, in these days of the meltdown of all that we once took for granted, societally and ideologically, worse than that which it is rebelling against, as we saw here in our own anti-lockdown protests. I fear this is the pattern of the future.

yes totalitarianism existed and it exists now, enough to kill and crush many - is that not total enough for you?
the ability to communicate is always a hope against the crush but hardly a power equal against that of the totalitarian state...

you try and draw equivalence between western democracies and other totalitarian states. i feel that, there are a lot of strong similarities, democracy is largely a sham. but they're not the same . to squash all differences into one lump is just reductionism.

 

[krtek a houby]

We don't. that's the problem. Like you, I am no sage but just a twat posting on a forum that only a few dozen will ever read.

So, how to solve the problem? The tragedy of the left, as you put it.

Is there a way of opting out of the lesser stuff, like combatting the harmless culture wars?