The lost Telegraph pub, Brixton Hill, SW2

[Kanda]

According to our local landlord, the guy running the Telegraph came into the pub, gave him the keys in an envelope and said: Give them to <the company that runs/owns the telegraph>

Re-furb not finished, think they ran out of money as well as licensing issues... or he done a runner.

 

[editor]

Be a shame if it's gone for good.

 

[Kanda]

Thoughts locally that it'll probably be turned into flats

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

According to our local landlord, the guy running the Telegraph came into the pub, gave him the keys in an envelope and said: Give them to <the company that runs/owns the telegraph>

Re-furb not finished, think they ran out of money as well as licensing issues... or he done a runner.

Not my type of place but it would be a shame to see it sitting there doing nothing after such an extensive refurb

Part of the licensing conditions was that they were not allowed to have more than 20 people outside in the garden at the same time (if I read it right). Can't see that going down too well in the summer.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Thoughts locally that it'll probably be turned into flats

Great

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Be a shame if it's gone for good.

Maybe you should get up there and take a few photos. It may need an entry in your "Brixton's Lost Pubs" section

 

[quimcunx]

Not my type of place but it would be a shame to see it sitting there doing nothing after such an extensive refurb

Part of the licensing conditions was that they were not allowed to have more than 20 people outside in the garden at the same time (if I read it right). Can't see that going down too well in the summer.

Sounds like they didn't want to give them a licence. Is the noise thing to appease the flats that were built beside a club that was a going concern?

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Sounds like they didn't want to give them a licence. Is the noise thing to appease the flats that were built beside a club that was a going concern?

Well there's not that many other residents unless people in New Park Road or in the flats on the other side of Brixton Hill can hear it.

I think it's disgusting that people can move into an area right near a pub and then start complaining about the noise.

There's a load of new flats being built opposite The Windmill. Should be interesting to see if there's new complaints about noise

 

[Kanda]

I think it's disgusting that people can move into an area right near a pub and then start complaining about the noise.

But this is possibly a bit much:

Residents in the area, including those living in Courtenay House overlooking the Telegraph, are fed up with music blaring out until the early hours night after night, as well as people fighting, shouting, urinating, having sex and taking drugs right outside their windows.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

But this is possibly a bit much:

I agree, but it's not The Telegraph's fault that there's an alley next to it

However, I also think stricter opening hours were definitely called for. It's wasn't nice walking down Brixton Hill past the George IV the next day seeing half naked totally pissed youngsters laying on tables out of their heads of laying over in Rush Common opposite

 

[ajdown]

I have had noise issues with the Telegraph in the past (I'm not far from there) but that was usually in the summer, when it was really hot and sleep with the windows open, they had live music on and wedged open the fire exit at the back to let some air in - and the noise out.

I'd just shut the window and put the fan on, and deal with it - it'd usually stop about 2am or thereabouts anyway.

I've actually had more problems with Courtney House itself and noise - particularly the Penthouse flat on the top having parties - and summer late night parties along New Park Road than the Telegraph, to be honest with you.

There's often lots of rubbish, piss and vomit in the alleyway (which I have to negotiate to get to the bus stops) but there's no way that can all be blamed on the Telegraph and its customers.

The thing that wakes me up far, far more often at night than people from the Telegraph is emergency vehicles using New Park Road as a shortcut, sirens blazing, at 3am.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I have had noise issues with the Telegraph in the past (I'm not far from there) but that was usually in the summer, when it was really hot and sleep with the windows open, they had live music on and wedged open the fire exit at the back to let some air in - and the noise out.

I'd just shut the window and put the fan on, and deal with it - it'd usually stop about 2am or thereabouts anyway.

I've actually had more problems with Courtney House itself and noise - particularly the Penthouse flat on the top having parties - and summer late night parties along New Park Road than the Telegraph, to be honest with you.

There's often lots of rubbish, piss and vomit in the alleyway (which I have to negotiate to get to the bus stops) but there's no way that can all be blamed on the Telegraph and its customers.

The thing that wakes me up far, far more often at night than people from the Telegraph is emergency vehicles using New Park Road as a shortcut, sirens blazing, at 3am.

Yeah, isn't it Courtenay House residents that like the odd firework or two?

 

[ajdown]

Yeah, isn't it Courtenay House residents that like the odd firework or two?

... or 50.

I've heard live bands playing on the roof before when they've had parties up there. Simply by its height, the noise from there is going to travel a lot further than what comes out the back door of the Telegraph and bounces across the street back at them.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

... or 50.

although there is a poster on here who lives in NPR who's also partial to a firework or 50

 

[ajdown]

Again, within reason, I don't mind people letting off fireworks if they have a reason to, as I don't mind people making a bit of noise in the Telegraph. It's more about context than anything else.

What I have a problem with is when its 2am or later, when I'm trying to sleep. Just because "you" can stay up all night partying, doesn't mean the rest of us can or even want to.

 

[HobgoblinMan]

I first went to the Telegraph in 2003 and it was fucking great. Had a few mad nights in there, reggae in the first room, DnB out the back. Plenty of space, no-one cared if you were a bit naughty and no pretension at all. A sad loss. Didn't it get refurbed into something a bit swankier a couple of years back, with "VIP Rooms" et al??

 

[teuchter]

What I have a problem with is when its 2am or later, when I'm trying to sleep. Just because "you" can stay up all night partying, doesn't mean the rest of us can or even want to.

It's a bit different if it's a long-established venue, though. I'm pretty sure the Telegraph, up until maybe two or three years ago, had been being open and making noise beyond 2am on a regular basis for many years. So it would be reasonable to expect people moving into properties nearby to be aware of this when they made the decision to move there.

It's probably at least partly due to the fact that it's been dormant for a while that they now find themselves getting complaints - people having got used to it being quiet recently.

 

[ajdown]

I'm pretty sure the Telegraph, up until maybe two or three years ago, had been being open and making noise beyond 2am on a regular basis for many years. So it would be reasonable to expect people moving into properties nearby to be aware of this when they made the decision to move there.

I haven't lived here 3 years so I wasn't around when it was at its, for the want of a better term, 'worst', plus an agent is hardly going to let you know about it as it will put some people off of renting/buying. If your neighbours don't find it a problem, then you aren't going to be told by them about it. I didn't explore the area fully when I first moved in, and from the rear (New Park Road) it just looks like some flats anyway, so before the first noisy night you might not actually be aware that there is a problem there.

For the record, I've never complained about them once. Been pissed off, frequently, yes, but that's all.

 

[slcr]

The law, for what it's worth, doesn't agree that if the noise existed before you moved in, it's your problem. You're not allowed to go around making excess noise and then blame your neighbours for moving in next door.

 

[slcr]

Well there's not that many other residents unless people in New Park Road or in the flats on the other side of Brixton Hill can hear it.

I think it's disgusting that people can move into an area right near a pub and then start complaining about the noise.

From the flats opposite the Telegraph, i.e. on the other side of Brixton Hill, its incredibly loud, through double glazing.

 

[lang rabbie]

I thought the complaints from nearby residents have mostly been about noise from the front "garden" area, which is more crowded all year round since the smoking ban, rather than noise getting out of the "club room" at the back of the Telegraph.

The club room (did it used to be know genteely as "the music room" or am I imagining it )has a long history of use for gigs, predating even the Basement Jaxx days, and I don't think there is any way that the residents of the new Alexander (sic) Dumas House or elsewhere could legitimately sustain an objection.

However, I don't recall there being much evidence of any serious structure to the roof of that single storey room, so I suspect it has minimal soundproofing, and any new licensee could possibly get a bit of kudos with the neighbours by installing a bit of rockwool acoustic boarding.

 

[ajdown]

However, I don't recall there being much evidence of any serious structure to the roof of that single storey room, so I suspect it has minimal soundproofing, and any new licensee could possibly get a bit of kudos with the neighbours by installing a bit of rockwool acoustic boarding.

That's probably the bigger issue really. Not that the venue exists in the middle of a residential area, but the noise.

I have no problem if people have nothing better to do with their lives than stay up all night partying - my problem (and presumably that of Courtney House residents) begins when the noise of them doing so at stupid o'clock prevents me sleeping.

 

[clandestino]

Reading the Lambeth report it does sound like the place wasn't managed very prudently. If you've been given a capacity of 200 by the council, boasting that you can ram 600 into the venue on your website is idiotic.

 

[slcr]

The noise that's bothered me on nights in the past has been music noise so presumably from inside - haven't noticed the noise of people talking/shouting. Acoustics with all the surrounding buildings must work oddly or something.

 

[HobgoblinMan]

I have no problem if people have nothing better to do with their lives than stay up all night partying - my problem (and presumably that of Courtney House residents) begins when the noise of them doing so at stupid o'clock prevents me sleeping.

What!!!! Nothing better to do with their lives than stay up all night partying!!! Get a life you prude. Dissing people for having a good time is totally ridiculous.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

What!!!! Nothing better to do with their lives than stay up all night partying!!! Get a life you prude. Dissing people for having a good time is totally ridiculous.

Occasionally it's fine and at weekends, but how often was this happening and 'til what time?

 

[ajdown]

What!!!! Nothing better to do with their lives than stay up all night partying!!! Get a life you prude. Dissing people for having a good time is totally ridiculous.

No it isn't.

When someone else's idea of a 'good time' infringes on my enjoyment of life, then it becomes a problem.

 

[ajdown]

Occasionally it's fine and at weekends, but how often was this happening and 'til what time?

Honestly, I didn't keep a note, but way past midnight and far more frequently than I wanted.

 

[HobgoblinMan]

No it isn't.

When someone else's idea of a 'good time' infringes on my enjoyment of life, then it becomes a problem.

Just because noise keeps you awake is no reason to judge people for having a good time in a club. You are quite frankly ridiculous. Your argument is totally lame. I love the fact that you put the words good time in inverted commas, utterly stupid. You surely are a tight rod.

 

[slcr]

I think ajdown really has a point on this one.. it's terribly loud. I've never sat inside a building and heard music so loud from nearby. And I'm further away than his block, over Brixton Hill. It's happened a few times; not regularly but that's not the point. When it does happen, your sleep is absolutely ruined through to the later early hours of the morning - not mildly annoying, not very annoying, but actually impossible to sleep because it is like being *inside* a club. And that's with double-glazed windows all closed.