See? You're doing it again! You were the one who brought Turkey up. And now you say you can't discuss Turkey here. Why do you do this? What's the point?
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See? You're doing it again! You were the one who brought Turkey up. And now you say you can't discuss Turkey here. Why do you do this? What's the point?
coley
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Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
sadly its no more ambiguous than that of fellow NATO members USA Britain and France over the past few years . Theyd start spilling the beans if they were turfed out .
same with the Saudis and the rest if they stopped selling those states the fancy gear .
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
no
and its wrong to think because one faction using the FSA name is in kobane theyre all at it . in different areas FSA types have signed deals with them . Or are fully aligned with Al Nusra...who announced they were supporting the other loons now they were being attacked. Also the FSA types were the ones who abducted and then sold the western hostages to the loonies in the first place
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Turkey isn't Egypt or Saudi Arabia... TAI have been manufacturing and upgrading (they did the Pakistani and Jordanian MLUs) F-16s for 20 years they would be very capable of supporting the Turkish F-16 fleet without US help. Particularly with the inevitable Israeli assistance.
TAI also make the centre fuselage section for the F-35 so it would be very difficult to kick Turkey (which is a Level 3 Partner in the program) out at this stage.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
good news if confirmed
coley
Well-Known Member
Unfortunately such abstract facts won't get in the way of some people's conviction that Turkey can be threatened with expulsion from NATO or non-admission to the EU.
Outdated as it is, that's a belief that will only be shattered in practice.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Looks like the re-inforced beardies have retaken much of the area to the west of kobane that YPG took lat week - including the hill. Possibility of encirclement is back on.
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
You'd hope this kind of reinforcement would be difficult with the threat/reality of airstrikes, but at the moment, Daesh seems able to co-ordinate multiple campaigns on different fronts - and on each front, there's another potential disaster & another minority group under threat, from the Kurds in Kobane to Yazidi in Sinjar to the Assyrian Christians in Nineveh - and that's without mentioning Iraq. The beardy bastards are pretty good at this.
coley
Well-Known Member
And you would think with that kind of activity there would be a lot more air strikes? Why not? Any ideas?
Because they are counter-productive.
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
I'd have thought that three weeks (ish) of airstrikes by the world's largest military might have had more discernible impact on their ability to operate on several fronts simultaneously. Why hasn't it? Dunno. I've very little understanding of the technicalities of modern warfare, but other posters reckon air-strikes are limited by a lack of forward operating bases. IS must know this, & are confident/rash/fearless enough to chance convoys here & there & advance. It also seems that the US are reactive, rather than active, responding to threats after the event, rather than following their own strategy - or following an undeclared strategy of containment, as suggested elsewhere.
coley
Well-Known Member
I imagine Daesh don't see it that way
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I don't suppose the US or anyone else has much in the way of ground-level intelligence on what's going on in ISIS-controlled areas. Before you can bomb stuff you need to know where it is.
I imagine Daesh don't see it that way
You're right.
They see them as productive. Which, for them, they are.
Do you think they mind dying?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Probably can't compete with the Turkish governments all out physical and ideological assault on ISIS
coley
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No, they don't and I don't mind them dying either,more dead daesh the merrier.
Erdogan has got this one right.
What IS want is ESCALATION. That's what they say they want. That's what they act as if they want. Given their ideology and geopolitical aims, that's what one would expect them to want.
So why are we giving it to them?
What a fool you are.
This is not an enemy that can be defeated by military means. This is a Hydra.
coley
Well-Known Member
They can certainly be degraded to the point that they cease to threaten the stability of the region
Fool? I ain't the one that believes in a mythical deity
I ain't the one that believes in a mythical deity
I know.
You don't believe in Hydras. Not when they're staring you in the face.
I greatly fear that will prove the downfall of Western civilization.
Myths are true.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
is this your much-vaunted proof of god
coley
Well-Known Member
Bugger off and take your derail with you.
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
I don't want to underplay the ideology (some of) the fighters hold, nor mystify IS into a weird Oriental Other death cult; tactically, they have goals, aims, targets, & these are easier achieved with live fighters than dead ones. So they must mind a bit. You can't conquer Kobane with corpses. Airstrikes may well produce more recruits - the Syrian opposition said as much when the latest intervention was announced - but it takes time & money to get them to the battlefield. I guess your point is this methodology of western military opposition is fuelling a rolling conflict that could last for generations.
I know that you and those like you become angry when anyone questions the reality of sense perception.
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