The Islamic state

[Pickman's model]

I know that you and those like you become angry when anyone questions the reality of sense perception.

IF myths are true THEN where recent confirmation of the heavens being the skull of ymir?

 

[phildwyer]

I guess your point is this methodology of western military opposition is fuelling a rolling conflict that could last for generations.

My point is that when you cut off one head, two will grow back.

 

[JimW]

My point is that when you cut off one head, two will grow back.

There's a time factor too though, some Yazidi people might escape the mountain while the head's growing back.

 

[phildwyer]

I guess your point is this methodology of western military opposition is fuelling a rolling conflict that could last for generations.

To be less gnomic: yes.

It's what the Americans call 'blowback.' The men fighting for IS today were recruited as boys, watching the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine.

The ultimate aim of IS is the conquest of Mecca, for which they need to mobilize support in Saudi Arabia. They plan to recruit others by the same means as they themselves were recruited.

 

[coley]

I know that you and those like you become angry when anyone questions the reality of sense perception.

Not angry, just bored by your attempts to derail the thread.

 

[flypanam]

It's what the Americans call 'blowback.' The men fighting for IS today were recruited as boys, watching the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine.

That only works if you think if all the beardies have the same motivation. Take those recruited from Tunisa some are motivated by Jihad, some seem to be motivated by more material concerns. The article below suggests that both types of recruit are liable to become disillusioned with the whole thing.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...unisians-to-fight-for-islamic-state-1.1973099

Interesting to note that the writer is suggesting that it is the middle class that is responding to the death cult fuckers

 

[coley]

That only works if you think if all the beardies have the same motivation. Take those recruited from Tunisa some are motivated by Jihad, some seem to be motivated by more material concerns. The article below suggests that both types of recruit are liable to become disillusioned with the whole thing.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...unisians-to-fight-for-islamic-state-1.1973099

Interesting to note that the writer is suggesting that it is the middle class that is responding to the death cult fuckers

On one hand,I don't like to see the murderous nutters being reinforced but hopefully these amateurs will end up dying over there and not get back to cause bother in their home countries.

 

[DrRingDing]

My point is that when you cut off one head, two will grow back.

I didn't know you're a man of science Felipe.

 

[Lemon Eddy]

Myths are true.

I see your lot got humped at Quidditch on Tuesday.

 

[coley]

I didn't know you're a man of science Felipe.

Not very good at maths!

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I take it that the salafist-phalangist fuckwit Dwyer is trolling the thread again. Why not just put the ISIS-apologist, kurd hating twat on ignore? You won't regret it...

 

[phildwyer]

salafist-phalangist fuckwit ... ISIS-apologist, kurd hating twat

I think that's the record so far.

But I've got twenty quid says he'll beat it within 24 hours....

 

[coley]

I take it that the salafist-phalangist fuckwit Dwyer is trolling the thread again. Why not just put the ISIS-apologist, kurd hating twat on ignore? You won't regret it...

Tempted, but don't do ignore on principle

 

[teqniq]

Telegraph: US air strike destroys Islamic State position on Kobane hill http://t.co/zMzcwvvqXH (Pic: Bulent Kilic/AFP) http://t.co/OvDIFxwhyI

e2a

this pic most probably the same thing

Syria's Kobani less at risk but could still fall: U.S. officials

The Syrian border town of Kobani appears in less danger of falling to the Islamic State, but the threat still remains, U.S. officials said on Thursday, offering a measured view of a key battle against the militant group.

Officials at the U.S. military's Central Command warned the Islamic State could ultimately capture the town, even after coalition air strikes and air drops of weapons and medical supplies to help Syrian Kurdish fighters fend off the militants in street battles.

One U.S. defense official, speaking to reporters on condition of anonymity, suggested Kurdish forces appeared likely to hold some ground unless the current battleground dynamic changes. That is despite Islamic State efforts to reinforce their fighters there.

 

[coley]

e2a

this pic most probably the same thing

Syria's Kobani less at risk but could still fall: U.S. officials

Starting to believe the hype that this is a line propagated by the US to hook them int the Kobani area. If so hope it keeps on working!

 

[FNG]

Significant developments, The Syrian Kurds have signed a power sharing agreement between the PYD and KNC brokered by the Iraqi Kurdish President Barzani as part of the deal to send Iraqi Peshmergas to relieve the Syrian Kurds in Kobane.

The existing administration created by the PYD is to be “developed” and elections will eventually be held for a Syrian Kurdish parliament, although no timetable has been set.

Kamiran Hajo, a member of the PYD’s main political rival, the umbrella Kurdish National Council (KNC), said the Kurds felt international opinion was on their side, and the agreement would help them win greater legitimacy on the world stage.

Representation in the new decision-making body will be divided among the Democratic Society Movement, which includes the PYD, with 40 percent, the KNC with another 40 percent and independents with the remaining 20 percent.

http://thepeninsulaqatar.com/news/middle-east/305111/syria-kurds-sign-power-sharing-agreement?


[Request] Does anyone know what sort of mandate Ansar al-Sham have within the Kurdish areas?[/Request] I would expect the behaviour of IS in mosul would have dampened their appeal amongst Kurdish Locals the way it has anecdotally amongst Sunni Arab locals.

 

[phildwyer]

Starting to believe the hype that this is a line propagated by the US to hook them int the Kobani area. If so hope it keeps on working!

You hope the US gets dragged further into the interminable disaster of war in the Middle East. Makes sense.

After all, it went so well in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya etc.

 

[phildwyer]

I didn't know you're a man of science Felipe.

You don't need to know science to understand what's happening in the Middle East.

But you do need to know history. In fact a big part of the problem is Western policymakers' ignorance thereof.

 

[coley]

You hope the US gets dragged further into the interminable disaster of war in the Middle East. Makes sense.

After all, it went so well in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya etc.

No, I hope they increase the bombing missions but keeping them well targeted as they have been doing, but no boots on the ground.

 

[phildwyer]

No, I hope they increase the bombing missions but keeping them well targeted as they have been doing, but no boots on the ground.

It will have the same effect of turning the entire region further against us.

And for what? What good can possibly come of it?

 

[dylanredefined]

On one hand,I don't like to see the murderous nutters being reinforced but hopefully these amateurs will end up dying over there and not get back to cause bother in their home countries.

At least 3 volunteers from Portsmouth have already been killed out of 9 who are supposedly out there.

 

[coley]

It will have the same effect of turning the entire region further against us.

And for what? What good can possibly come of it?

No, most of the people in the region seem to support it, other than bearded murdering islamic nut jobs.
What good? Remains to be seen but mebbes, just mebbes,people will realise sectarian hatred serves nobody?

 

[phildwyer]

No, most of the people in the region seem to support it, other than bearded murdering islamic nut jobs.
?

Who in the region supports it apart from the Kurds and Israelis?

I can't think of anyone.

Not that their opinion is insignificant, but it is isolated.

 

[coley]

At least 3 volunteers from Portsmouth have already been killed out of 9 who are supposedly out there.

Wouldn't be surprised if foreign jihadists are being deliberately used on the from line as cannon fodder and then their deaths being used to highlight the number of foreign volunteers " flocking to the cause"

 

[phildwyer]

What good? Remains to be seen but mebbes, just mebbes,people will realise sectarian hatred serves nobody?

And we can teach them this by bombing them?

That's what I call sending a mixed message.

 

[coley]

Who in the region supports it apart from the Kurds and Israelis?

I can't think of anyone.

Not that their opinion is insignificant, but it is isolated.

Try reading some of the links posted on here, rather than your somewhat boring attempts at trolling, there's a good lad.

 

[phildwyer]

Try reading some of the links posted on here, rather than your somewhat boring attempts at trolling, there's a good lad.

No Dad, you read them. Because they don't suggest that most people in the region support US intervention. They suggest the opposite.

 

[coley]

No Dad, you read them. Because they don't suggest that most people in the region support US intervention. They suggest the opposite.

Selective reading eh? Most don't want direct American intervention,ie boots on the ground,but Coalition air support is a different matter, or have you missed the little fact that the Iraq gov officially asked for it?

 

[phildwyer]

Selective reading eh? Most don't want direct American intervention,ie boots on the ground,but Coalition air support is a different matter, or have you missed the little fact that the Iraq gov officially asked for it?

That hardly reflects public opinion now does it?

Look, most people in the region want IS gone, no argument there. But that doesn't mean they want the US to bomb them. They know that will only make things worse.

 

[Pickman's model]

That hardly reflects public opinion now does it?

Look, most people in the region want IS gone, no argument there. But that doesn't mean they wants the US to bomb them. They know that will only make things worse.

yeh the distant prospect of "friendly fire" worse than the more immediate prospect of being marched into the desert and shot or forced into slavery or made to flee.