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Genocide Phil, genocide.

As I´ve said, I think the term "genocide" is best reserved for the Jewish holocaust. That was a unique event, for reasons I´m sure I don´t have to explain, and I think it needs a special term to preserve its uniqueness.
 
The islamists are in power now, but secularism is still a strong force in Turkey, particularly in the army.

The army´s split now. No chance of a coup.

What you say about the AK Party getting elected because, unlike the CHP, they actually do something to improve the lot of the poorest is quite true. The situation is comparable to Venezuela in that regard.
 
Sorry didn't know the enosis name.
Served in Cyprus for best part of two years got loads of the evil Turks invading killing everyone in 74 asking where the Turks went from the derelict villages we used for street fighting practice deep silence apprantly
The preserved mosque in one of the villages is the only mosque left .

Interesting. Did the anti-Turkish propaganda you were fed come from the British government?

Think really nasty shit went down UK forces sheltered some refugees there was a huge barbed wire compound of Turkish Cypriot cars left to rot on the garrison.

There´s a museum dedicated to the Cyprus invasión in Istanbul. It provides evidence of horrible atrocities committed by the Greeks. Not exactly an unbiased source, but still.
 
As I´ve said, I think the term "genocide" is best reserved for the Jewish holocaust. That was a unique event, for reasons I´m sure I don´t have to explain, and I think it needs a special term to preserve its uniqueness.

Now Phil if you are Turkish or a Kurd has insulted your mother please 'fess up.

I like you Phil but please do not play the devil's advocate, like some past it father here trying to torment his children. People are being slaughtered as we sit nice and cozy in front of our computers.

You know full well genocide is not a proper noun. The term for the extermination of Jewish people by the Nazis is 'Shoah', that is the proper noun. You can use 'The Holocaust' for the extermination for Jews, Gypsies, Communists etc.

I would greatly appreciate some sincerity on this thread.
 
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Interesting. Did the anti-Turkish propaganda you were fed come from the British government?



There´s a museum dedicated to the Cyprus invasión in Istanbul. It provides evidence of horrible atrocities committed by the Greeks. Not exactly an unbiased source, but still.

No from talking to Greek Cypriots senior Brits were much less pro Greek generally of the view the Greeks deserved all they got and then some.
Real politik probably saw the Turk invasion as the best of bad situation
 
Yes. I think the term is best reserved for the Jewish holocaust, in order to preserve its unique quality.
Surely we already have aword (holocaust) for just that. Genocide for me is a term that best describes the more extreme end of the ethnic cleansing spectrum, into which the Rwandan and Armenian genocides both fit.
 
No from talking to Greek Cypriots senior Brits were much less pro Greek generally of the view the Greeks deserved all they got and then some.
Real politik probably saw the Turk invasion as the best of bad situation

Years ago I worked for a fella who'd been a sergeant based in Cyprus at the time of the invasion and that was exactly his opinion.
 
It´s about trillion times more complicated than you think.

First of all, you can hardly blame the Turkish Republic for crimes committed by the Ottomans.

Next, the Ottomans are not co-terminus with Turks. Most of the massacres of Armenians were carried out by Kurds, for example. Just for one example. An example of the vast historical complexity of which you (without meaning to offend) obviously know less than zero.

I´d suggest that the ethical course for you to follow is to suppress your racist impulses until you´ve read up on the subject a bit. I suggest that you start with Norman Stone´s biography of Ataturk. Get back to me once you´ve had a look at that and we can talk properly.
Did I say " self pitying" must have got it mixed up with boring, do carry on.
 
Revolution until victory!

Baghdad will fall.
Revolution until victory!

Baghdad will fall.
No, guess again, IS has pushed its luck too far, they may have one or two more 'victories' but they are about finished. Then again,that's just my personal interpretation.
In the coming months IS will be seeking retrenchment and consolidation in rocky outcrops, hopefully:)
 
Well that will go well don't you think? Another step towards peace on earth.

Another death-blow to imperialism.

From the beginning of imperialist intervention the revolution has proceeded from victory to victory.

Military victory to the Islamic State - death to its politics! Death to imperialism.
 
No, guess again, IS has pushed its luck too far, they may have one or two more 'victories' but they are about finished. Then again,that's just my personal interpretation.
In the coming months IS will be seeking retrenchment and consolidation in rocky outcrops, hopefully:)

Crap. We have been misinformed.

Tehran supplies media propaganda to the West and the victories of the insurgents are covered up.
 
That misinformation is what I call 'war propaganda' or psyops.

The revolutionaries have learnt that there is no negotiations with imperialism.
 
You support the rape, enslavement and murder of children?

The crimes committed by the so-called 'Islamic State' are absolutely deplorable. However, they are the strongest fighting force against an imperialist government that has murdered many more people in Iraq than the so-called Islamic State.

When Bashar Assad bombed homes and schools and hospitals he was condemned, in terms only, as a war criminal. Thousands of Iraqis have been massacred (by aerial bombing alone) since January with the backing of the international community (including the US and Russia). Why the double standard? Because of a secret alliance between Iran and Israel.
 
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