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phildwyer said:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/08/2011831135154436928.html

O fuck. Sorry, no idea. Read the article anyway.
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I'll give that a read, and I'm not suggesting the PKK deserve support. Often in conflicts, both sides are wrong - a plague on both their houses is the correct response. But often also, only one side's terrible acts are concentrated on, and often it is those nominally fighting in the name of the powerless who are demonised - Chechnya is a prime example. In such cases, supporting the Kurdish people against oppression by the Turkish state, or the Chechen people against oppression by the Russian state, is the best position to take, imo.

In the case of Chechnya, the Russian military killed far more civilians than the Chechen rebels. Is this also the case in Turkey?
 
phildwyer said:
...That's one problem we don't need.
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its a problem we've got whether we need it or not, or indeed if we get involved or not. unless someone can invent a time machine all this 'its the UK's fault' crap is wasted neurons and electrons. its done, what happened is a matter for the history books and Blairs' (please God make it so..) trial and one-way trip through Traitors Gate, but none of it illuminates the future or helps people who, right now, have IS loons trying to take their town street-by-street.
 
weltweit said:
That is an interesting question, but of course we are not the only nation in the world with military capabilities, there are nations a lot closer to the conflict than we are that have forces they could deploy.
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There are also nations which could withdraw any support they may have for ISIS, or which we in turn could withdraw our support from if they fail to do so. This is not an option that's on the table though, because we're talking about countries whose ruling elites own large chunks of the UK.
 
theres the suggestion that some of our voulenteers will be bringing the war home, but- and lets not be blase but its true- uk security forces have got quite good at countering insurgencies, terror plots etc.
so is it THAT dangerous a prospect, the returnees will be straight to belmarsh
 
littlebabyjesus said:
No, just as the IRA did not represent the Nationalist community in NI. That doesn't mean that the cause does not have some merit.
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Of course not. There are plenty of Kurdish organizations working to improve the situation peacefully. Give money to them if you want. Don't give it to the Stalinist nutters of the PKK.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
What is the history of Western military intervention in the past, say, 50 years? How many times has it succeeded in not making an already bad situation even worse?
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In this case (IMO)we have the responsibility to help people affected by the mess,we, largely made. I can't for the life of me figure out how leaving IS to wreck havoc and ethnic cleansing is somehow preferable to targeted assistance.
 
coley said:
In this case (IMO)we have the responsibility to help people affected by the mess,we, largely made. I can't for the life of me figure out how leaving IS to wreck havoc and ethnic cleansing is somehow preferable to targeted assistance.
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I agree that the UK is responsible for the mess. I'm not at all sure that more bombs will do anything but just mess things up even more.
 
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