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simply put - even if the YPG were able to effectively cut off Daesh supply lines over the Turkish border (which despite the current words coming out of Ankara) seems rather unlikely the Turkish state will allow, Daesh aren't going to fold overnight. They will have to be removed from their urban centres.

Off the top of me head, the YPG would have to overcome the following problems (and I'm sure there are many more)

a) to overcome sectarian tensions of a predominantly Kurdish force going into a pretty much entirely sunni arab area
b) Develop logistics and supply routes to keep the YPG well equipped, and keep in mind, they would no longer be on 'home' territory
c) Mission Creep - it would no longer be about defending Rojava/Kurdish lands. In all likelihood it would see a lot of dead Kurds - would that be contentious when they're no longer dying in the homeland?
d) Urban warfare will lead to high casualties, especially when attacking.
 
camouflage said:
butchersapron calling this utter nonsense caught my eye, so I went and read the article, having done so... surprise surprise no- not utter nonsense at all. If you think it is then please expand on what part of Graebers article you think is rubbish?
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I haven't mentioned the article - i've not said a single word about it. Do try and follows the thread more closely.
 
And yet it's only since Putin sent his boys in we've seen Islamic state lines crumble all over the place . While western powers were blabbering on about containing them for the next 5 to ten years .
Must have just been some lucky shots .
 
Casually Red said:
And yet it's only since Putin sent his boys in we've seen Islamic state lines crumble all over the place .
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That's nonsense. Isis have been losing ground since way before your mate got involved.

What do you think Russian bombing is doing that everyone else's bombing isn't?
 
Casually Red said:
And yet it's only since Putin sent his boys in we've seen Islamic state lines crumble all over the place . While western powers were blabbering on about containing them for the next 5 to ten years .
Must have just been some lucky shots .
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You appear to be defending the carpet bombing of areas where there are thousands of civilians. You do live in a strange old world.
 
tbh, I have no intention of re-naming this thread...
People are following Anonymous' lead and labelling Isis 'Daesh bags'

Do 'we' have a view about the various descriptors being used? I have to admit that my preference for "IS" rests largely on the fact that Cameron et al refuse to use it. I'd imagine they find it uncomfortable to accept that, historically, states normally do result from nothing more than military conquest?
 
brogdale said:
tbh, I have no intention of re-naming this thread...
People are following Anonymous' lead and labelling Isis 'Daesh bags'

Do 'we' have a view about the various descriptors being used? I have to admit that my preference for "IS" rests largely on the fact that Cameron et al refuse to use it. I'd imagine they find it uncomfortable to accept that, historically, states normally do result from nothing more than military conquest?
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the occasional pun good but not so sure that douchbag or daeshbag really expresses to a european ear the contempt i feel for is.
 
daeshbags riffs on douchebag so gives the ridicule aspect that is in 'daesh' alone but if you don't speak arabic its going to pass you by. As a term of contempt its ok. I go with daesh normally. Did wonder wether it was appropriate to use their enemies derogatory name being as y'know, I'm in the armchair they are on the ground- did I have the right to? But seeing as even jon kerry uses daesh then I think it doesn't matter. No one cares.
 
Casually Red said:
And yet it's only since Putin sent his boys in we've seen Islamic state lines crumble all over the place . While western powers were blabbering on about containing them for the next 5 to ten years .
Must have just been some lucky shots .
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It's more like that the progress, such as it is, is being achieved by the artillery batteries that the Russians definitely don't have in Syria but were seen on maps in Putin's new command centre which looks like a bingo hall designed by Dr. Strangelove.

Army map suggests presence of Russian artillery unit in central Syria
 
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ah, finally the realisation that the brylcreme might look sleek and go-faster, but its Gunners who provide the real results! :thumbs:

i can get you an application form if you want....
 
kebabking said:
ah, finally the realisation that the brylcreme might look sleek and go-faster, but its Gunners who provide the real results! :thumbs:

i can get you an application form if you want....
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I'll practice sleeping in a shell scrape and dining on sheep shit sandwiches.
 
DotCommunist said:
daeshbags riffs on douchebag so gives the ridicule aspect that is in 'daesh' alone but if you don't speak arabic its going to pass you by. As a term of contempt its ok. I go with daesh normally. Did wonder wether it was appropriate to use their enemies derogatory name being as y'know, I'm in the armchair they are on the ground- did I have the right to? But seeing as even jon kerry uses daesh then I think it doesn't matter. No one cares.
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Actually it's been reported that Daesh cares rather a lot. Anyway why do as your enemy requests... "I prefer to be called William" sez a local paedo, very well- Billy Shitfart it is.

+10 points on Daeshbags by the way. Besides, I'm not a fan of any religion but I think it's an insult to muslims in general to call these bastards the "Islamic State". It's as if the KKK seized Georgia and (breaking for five minutes from the lynchings, burnings, slavings and rapings) informed the world that they from here on in prefer to be known as The Christian State.
 
camouflage said:
Actually it's been reported that Daesh cares rather a lot. Anyway why do as your enemy requests... "I preffer to be called William", very well- Billy Shitbrains it is.

+10 points on Daeshbags by the way. Besides, I'm not a fan of any religion but I think it's an insult to muslims in general to call these bastards the "Islamic State". It's as if the KKK seized Georgia and (breaking for five minutes from the lynchings, burnings, slavings and rapings) informed the world that they are from here on in prefer to be known as The Christian State.
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georgia is the peach state, or empire state of the south, according to wikipedia.
 
butchersapron said:
(not sure which one to put this on but it's the only one her case has been talked about on)

Silhan gets a guilty

Girl becomes first Briton convicted of trying to join fight against Islamic State in Syria

Sentencing to come. She's been in a while though. I expect within the hour there will be people posting that this isn't what her conviction actually was.
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Article says 21 months in a YO institute, so yeah, might be out very soon as she's been in a bit already.
 
butchersapron said:
As if anon invented that! I just use ISIS for consistency. Sometimes beardies if i'm on the phone and feel the hot breath of the state getting too close for comfort.
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Think the name 'daeshbags' came from or through Cahit Storm - Kurdish/French twitter commentator who gained a following during the Kobani siege, live tweeting from a chilli field near the border.
 
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