The Islamic state

[kebabking]

I wonder where the hell in Turkey he thinks he can run to. There aren't many options available that aren't shite, very shite or extremely shite.

*checks sympathyometer
** still registering zero

the British Embassy and its resident collection of spooks, and from there...? well, Deigo Garcia is nice. compared to a Turkish prison.

remarkably, my give-a-fuck-ometer also hasn't flickered yet. i wonder if something is wrong with it.

 

[8ball]

Well in fairness they'd kill him if he refused . And just because he fell out with IS doesn't mean he fell out with the other AQ factions . Fuck him .

I very much doubt deserting is going to be that difficult. Fighting that kind of war isn't really possible when you need to act as jailer for your own army. Regardless, I agree with the 'fuck him' bit.

 

[frogwoman]

I very much doubt deserting is going to be that difficult. Fighting that kind of war isn't really possible when you need to act as jailer for your own army. Regardless, I agree with the 'fuck him' bit.

And lots of them don't desert Daesh because what its doing is morally wrong but on the basis of obscure theological bollocks or maybe one Daesh fighter let his mates wife get away with not dressing modestly or some shit like that. Getting pissed off with Daesh doesn't mean you're not a threat, it doesn't even mean they're no longer a jihadi or that they wouldn't rejoin Daesh or possibly something even more mental.

 

[Pickman's model]

And lots of them don't desert Daesh because what its doing is morally wrong but on the basis of obscure theological bollocks or maybe one Daesh fighter let his mates wife get away with not dressing modestly or some shit like that. Getting pissed off with Daesh doesn't mean you're not a threat, it doesn't even mean they're no longer a jihadi or that they wouldn't rejoin Daesh or possibly something even more mental.

yeh it's quite possible that some of them have become disillusioned with daesh because they don't feel daesh is islamick enough

 

[frogwoman]

He was posing with severed heads ffs, how is someone like that 'deradicalised'. And even if they are are they really the kind of person we want in society? In a few years time hell be found with body parts in a freezer or some shit.

 

[Pickman's model]

He was posing with severed heads ffs, how is someone like that 'deradicalised'. And even if they are are they really the kind of person we want in society? In a few years time hell be found with body parts in a freezer or some shit.

or, with a spot of luck, his body parts will be found in a freezer.

 

[frogwoman]

They seem obsessed - OBSESSED - with theological minutia. all it would take would be for them to catch one of their comrades smoking the cigarettes they captured off the villagers or to make a lewd joke or catch them sneaking a sandwich in Ramadan or something, they'd talk to their commander who would brush them off. and there you go, they'd get 'disillusioned' never mind all their previous love of the daesh project, and they'd either go on the run or bide their time and wait for something even more batshit mental to come along.

 

[Pickman's model]

They seem obsessed - OBSESSED - with theological minutia. all it would take would be for them to catch one of their comrades smoking the cigarettes they captured off the villagers or to make a lewd joke or catch them sneaking a sandwich in Ramadan or something, they'd talk to their commander who would brush them off. and there you go, they'd get 'disillusioned' never mind all their previous love of the daesh project, and they'd either go on the run or bide their time and wait for something even more batshit mental to come along.

now you know where the jihadi pedants go

 

[Pickman's model]

They seem obsessed - OBSESSED - with theological minutia. all it would take would be for them to catch one of their comrades smoking the cigarettes they captured off the villagers or to make a lewd joke or catch them sneaking a sandwich in Ramadan or something, they'd talk to their commander who would brush them off. and there you go, they'd get 'disillusioned' never mind all their previous love of the daesh project, and they'd either go on the run or bide their time and wait for something even more batshit mental to come along.

oh - it's minutiae, for future reference

 

[frogwoman]

now you know where the jihadi pedants go

yeah, pedantry definitely alive and well there.

 

[Casually Red]

now you know where the jihadi pedants go

There was a debate here in the pub recently, we're im currently posting from , about this 70 virgins business . The upshot of this theological conundrum was 2 or 3 reasonably experienced ones would be a much better option . Unsure what you'd have to do to wrong gain this consolation prize but were I a jihadi that'd be my aim .

 

[Pickman's model]

There was a debate here in the pub recently, we're im currently posting from , about this 70 virgins business . The upshot of this theological conundrum was 2 or 3 reasonably experienced ones would be a much better option . Unsure what you'd have to do to gain this consolation prize but were I a jihadi that'd be my aim .

by now all the virgins there should have become experienced

 

[frogwoman]

Jabhat An-Nusrah had a very hypocritical approach when it came to the fight between Dawlah and FSA. On the one side there was a group of pious brothers fighting for the return of the Shariah and on the other side there was a group of evil doers, smokers and alcoholics who were fighting for democracy.

 

[frogwoman]

That's an actual quote btw

 

[Casually Red]

The al jazeera attempt to rehabilitate and promote their old al nusra mates in a recent lengthy interview is just one lengthy face palm pretty much . Mind you some of their own presenters are capable of producing a quite massive wtf all on their own .

Then there was that FSA cleric interviewed on BBC . Omfg . Said something about opposing these foreign jihadis from a tactical stand point, but not from a shariah standpoint . That he ..they...couldn't stand in the way of gods will . Then ended up saying the whole uprising was Islamic , and after some humming and hahing admitted if a rebel victory..somehow..resulted in a non sharia state they'd take up arms against it . After patiently making their case through peaceful persuasion .Naturally .

In fairness to him he did give a religious lecture to the brothers reminding them that in a previous caliphate the religious icons and statues of the other faiths were respected .and should be protected . It was the bbc he was talking to after all .

Effect was a bit spoiled though when some dastardly assadist posted a YouTube video of the very same grinning FSA cleric personally smashing a statue of the virgin Mary on his way put of a looted church .he probably wasn't feeling all that moderate on that particular afternoon . An abbé ration I'm sure.

 

[xes]

This appears to be a production, in a studio, of an ISIS beheading. How much of what we see is real, and how much is fake?

http://rutube.ru/video/b95b42fd248ab13998630583a18791b2/

 

[frogwoman]

All their beheadings are 'staged' and the footage edited to make it look slick. I dont understand how this is news to anyone.

 

[xes]

All their beheadings are 'staged' and the footage edited to make it look slick. I dont understand how this is news to anyone.

Sorry, I'm new here. I thought that would have ranged in the conspiracy end of the spectrum... Who's funding this shit, that doesn't look like a cheep set up.

 

[frogwoman]

Sorry, I'm new here. I thought that would have ranged in the conspiracy end of the spectrum... Who's funding this shit, that doesn't look like a cheep set up.

Well no of course its not.

No conspiracy about it, they film the death and then they cut most of the footage so you dont see them thrashing about etc.

 

[frogwoman]

 

[steeplejack]

5 ISIS sympathisers nicked over plot to poison Pristina's water supplies

similar threats have been made to Skopje's water supplies. The aim apparently is to "kill the unbelievers" in their own lands. The fact that the vast majority of victims in Pristina and a substantial minority in Skopje would be observant Muslims doesn't seem to bother them very much.

knuckle-dragging mediavel pricks.

 

[frogwoman]

5 ISIS sympathisers nicked over plot to poison Pristina's water supplies

similar threats have been made to Skopje's water supplies. The aim apparently is to "kill the unbelievers" in their own lands. The fact that the vast majority of victims in Pristina and a substantial minority in Skopje would be observant Muslims doesn't seem to bother them very much.

knuckle-dragging mediavel pricks.

Fucking nasty shit innit

 

[xes]

I'll second that.

 

[butchersapron]

That vid is claimed to have come from the office of John McCain and is claimed to have found on one of his aides phones. It's obv just stirring nonsense from CyberBerkut.

 

[frogwoman]

But everyone knows their beheadings and other films are produced and edited in a studio. How do people not know this when its been discussed continually almost every time ISIS are mentioned?

 

[xes]

But everyone knows their beheadings and other films are produced and edited in a studio. How do people not know this when its been discussed continually almost every time ISIS are mentioned?

Not been around for a year or so, I've avoided most of the news on the box, and got pissed off with conspiracy sites because every single thing that happens is a staged event (according to them). Why would they go to all that trouble to stop you from seeing someone thrashing about when they're happy to show you the head being cut off. Surely a video as sick as that would have more impact if it included all the terror of the moment.

 

[frogwoman]

Not been around for a year or so, I've avoided most of the news on the box, and got pissed off with conspiracy sites because every single thing that happens is a staged event (according to them). Why would they go to all that trouble to stop you from seeing someone thrashing about when they're happy to show you the head being cut off. Surely a video as sick as that would have more impact if it included all the terror of the moment.

Not if it took the person like half an hour for daesh to kill them. It would make them look a bunch of incompetent butchers. Or if something went wrong with the beheading.

 

[Casually Red]

Sorry, I'm new here. I thought that would have ranged in the conspiracy end of the spectrum... Who's funding this shit, that doesn't look like a cheep set up.

I'm loathe to get into this conspiracy shit . But a couple of years back there was footage everywhere of this little Syrian kid braving Syrian army sniper fire to pull this little girl to safety . Around the time of that ghouta nerve gas shenanigans . Then it emerged the whole thing was staged by a Dutch ....I think...production crew . Filmed in morocco or somewhere like that . They laughed it off as some kind of practical joke / promotional vid . After they were exposed setting the thing up . You could see the kids returning to nor
No idea what that's about but that's a shit load of expense involved . Someone's paying for it .

According to the Internet that fake Isis footage was hacked from a device belonging to a staffer of John McCain . By that " cyberberkut " outfit . Which is the Russians basically .

So fuckknowswhats going on with some of this stuff .conspiraloons paradise .

 

[bendeus]

5 ISIS sympathisers nicked over plot to poison Pristina's water supplies

similar threats have been made to Skopje's water supplies. The aim apparently is to "kill the unbelievers" in their own lands. The fact that the vast majority of victims in Pristina and a substantial minority in Skopje would be observant Muslims doesn't seem to bother them very much.

knuckle-dragging mediavel pricks.

It would be interesting to get a chemist's take on the type/quantity of a given toxin you'd need to tip into a reservoir to actually do anything nasty. Surely must be shitloads. Could this simply be a tactic to put the shits up the kuffars rather than anything that might have been actualised?

 

[8ball]

It would be interesting to get a chemist's take on the type/quantity of a given toxin you'd need to tip into a reservoir to actually do anything nasty. Surely must be shitloads. Could this simply be a tactic to put the shits up the kuffars rather than anything that might have been actualised?

Then again, the fact that they were planning something doesn't mean they had a clue what they were doing.