The Islamic state
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Geri
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ManchesterBeth
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Whilst i respect your opinion on middle eastern politics and think you're more informed than some others on the boards this simply isn't true. 'ribah' and 'fa'iz' don't translate to usury (as we understand it in English) but pure interest. This was dealt with by Marx in Capital vol. 3. But interest under capitalism (be that finance or industrial) is profit, which the islamists do not oppose.
The idea of 'ribah/fa'iz' only really makes sense in tributary societies, not in societies that have gone past the capitalisation of agriculture. If you argued that islamists want to return to societies pre-agrarian revolutions, that would be a more convincing case, though equally as ridiculous.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
In modern military parlance, it's a form of "area denial". You can achieve it with anti-personnel mines, but blowing the shit out of homes works too in stopping people re-colonising an area.
InfoBurner
Deep fried chip butty.
Isis using water supply as a weapon
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/04/isis-iraq-anbar-water_n_7510174.html?utm_hp_ref=uk&ir=UK
On Wednesday, IS militants closed the locks on a militant-held dam on the Euphrates River near Ramadi, reducing the flow downstream and threatening irrigation systems and water treatment plants in nearby areas controlled by troops and tribes opposed to the extremist group.
Anbar councilman, Taha Abdul-Ghani said the move will not only make the lives of people living in the affected areas more difficult but it could also pose a threat to the security forces fighting to recapture Ramadi. If water levels drop significantly, he said, the extremists could cross the Euphrates River on foot.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/04/isis-iraq-anbar-water_n_7510174.html?utm_hp_ref=uk&ir=UK
On Wednesday, IS militants closed the locks on a militant-held dam on the Euphrates River near Ramadi, reducing the flow downstream and threatening irrigation systems and water treatment plants in nearby areas controlled by troops and tribes opposed to the extremist group.
Anbar councilman, Taha Abdul-Ghani said the move will not only make the lives of people living in the affected areas more difficult but it could also pose a threat to the security forces fighting to recapture Ramadi. If water levels drop significantly, he said, the extremists could cross the Euphrates River on foot.
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
While I have the greatest respect for your academic rigour here, we usually just go with "Fuck off, Dwyer".
butchersapron
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Questions to ask there is do they want to cross the euphrates on foot, and if so, why?
likesfish
You can't park here sir
http://defensetech.org/2015/06/03/u...destroys-isis-hq-building-using-social-media/
Isis photobombed apprantly some pratt put a picture up of isis shiny command centre shortly after the usaf bombed it
Isis photobombed apprantly some pratt put a picture up of isis shiny command centre shortly after the usaf bombed it
butchersapron
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Yeah, not a cover story for special ops forward teams or whatever they're called on the ground -as revealed by a tory councillor last week.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
not-bono-ever
meh
cant see any problem with that . nopes.
Geri
wasn't born to follow
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
By now CIA/MI6/DGSE agents and informants probably outnumber genuine ISIS recruits.
not-bono-ever
meh
if it was true, I'm sure teh IS would be setting up bogus stations on schools/mosques etc to work the PR aspect of bad bombing
The distinction between "usury" and "interest" is nothing more than a rationalization of capitalism. All interest is usury, and both are ribah.
Terrible weather in Istanbul eh?
butchersapron
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Contrary to what i expected to happen, the regime forces in Hasakah repelled the ISIS attack and pushed them out further than they had been before the offensive - and apparently did it with the helpof Kurdish and Assyrian forces. Now that last but could just be mopping up areas ISIS retreated from in the countryside but it may be something more and worth keeping an eye on.
Note also, the non-islamist rebels in Aleppo have similarly halted the ISIS offensive there and may be able to push them back as well, and the moves towards Tal abyd continue - ISIS are going to lose that key border crossing.
Note also, the non-islamist rebels in Aleppo have similarly halted the ISIS offensive there and may be able to push them back as well, and the moves towards Tal abyd continue - ISIS are going to lose that key border crossing.
ManchesterBeth
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You're the one claiming that Islam (and specifically islamists) have a coherent economic position on interest, not me.
butchersapron
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If you though the Guardian selling the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was bad, amazon were just caught selling Dabiq - the english language ISIS mag, the one where justifications for slavery and so on appear. And they weren't just hosting it for someone else, they were actually publishing it through one of their self-publishing companies.
Hmm...
Freedom of speech etc...
Surely it's better for these things to be ventilated and adressed directly rather than suppressed.
butchersapron
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Freedom of speech doesn't mean facilitating (and for commercial gain) the expanded circulation of all speech ffs. And as if ISIS are short of media outlets of one sort or another. And if Amazon have been banned from selling this filth. Or the guardian from selling anti-semitic filth.
Yes, it's not an absolute principle, especially in the UK as opposed to the USA, but I'm not sure why your judgment of "filth" should ban publication...
I don't like it but it shouldn't be banned because I don't like it.
butchersapron
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Where did i suggest any such thing? I called dabiq and the protocols filth. There was no argument made that this judgement logically entails their banning.
not-bono-ever
meh
So when will we see the US openly cooperating with Eeeeeeeran in Iraq? I know there has obviously been spook level contact for sometime to enable Iran to get involved on the ground. At least what point do you think we may see public engagement with say the revolutionary guard lot to stabilise Iraq somewhat and allow the US to wash its hands of the entire sorry, bloody mess...
Almost never, would be my thoughts.
What peeps in the West don't often understand as clearly as they should do is that the Syrian conflict isn't about Assad at all.
It is about Saudi v Iran.
If you think things are bad now they can very easily and very quickly get much more worse.
That is all it has, is and ever will be about. 172 wasted pages on this thread alone.
butchersapron
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I do hope you're taking the piss out of diamonds crude post.
butchersapron
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Thank god for that. Nice of him to mention something that's been mentioned numerous times throughout the thread (and preceding ones) though. Cheers diamond. Thanks for helping us.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/06/tension-mounts-iraqi-arabs-kurds-150608062817891.html
Worth a read. I won't quote any because the way its written I'd end up either exagerating or downplaying the tensions.
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