The Islamic state

[Sasaferrato]

It's no idle boast I fear. Turkish police have been picking them up for months.

We really, really need to get out of the middle east fast, before the war comes home.

Bit late for that...

 

[Yossarian]

i think in many ways ISIS is a product of postmodernity tho and cant really be compared exactly to anything before.

Its publicity is definitely unlike anything that came before - they clearly have a few disaffected media studies graduates within their ranks. I don't think "Captured Jordanian Pilot Burned Alive" would have been front page news, or even made it into the news, in the days when video of it couldn't be seen around the world immediately after it was released.

 

[BigMoaner]

just (accidental) seen pictures of the poor fucker in the cage, looking down as the filthy (masked) animals light the flames, with a look of sad dignity on his face. how pathetic these "men" are.

 

[phildwyer]

Frankly that strikes me as naive. Especially since Daesh have admitted to having global ambitions.

Those guys in Ceuta - just doing a "dry run" to keep their hand in, do you think?

I'm not at all sure who they were. I do know that no atrocity was successfully perpetrated.

It seems pretty obvious to me that attacking and occupying foreign lands invites retaliation. That's a good reason not to do it.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not at all sure who they were. I do know that no atrocity was successfully perpetrated.

It seems pretty obvious to me that attacking and occupying foreign lands invites retaliation. That's a good reason not to do it.

and that's a dwyerjug fact

 

[frogwoman]

I'm not at all sure who they were. I do know that no atrocity was successfully perpetrated.

It seems pretty obvious to me that attacking and occupying foreign lands invites retaliation. That's a good reason not to do it.

Not quite 'no trouble since' then.

 

[phildwyer]

Not quite 'no trouble since' then.

Yes, no trouble since. No casaulties, no collateral damage.

 

[frogwoman]

Yes, no trouble since. No casaulties, no collateral damage.

They had a major terrorist attack in which hundreds of people died, they have foiled a few plots afterwards, given that isis fighters and other jihadis have come from spain i suspect a more prosaic explanation is that following 11th of March 2004 they ramped up their security measures

 

[frogwoman]

Following 7/7/2005 no more terrorist attacks have been successful in causing mass death in the uk, plainly the war on terror has worked.

 

[Pickman's model]

Following 7/7/2005 no more terrorist attacks have been successful in causing mass death in the uk, plainly the war on terror has worked.

no mass death anyway. but it's not for want of trying - lest we forget eg the bomb in haymarket, the attack in glasgow...

 

[phildwyer]

They had a major terrorist attack in which hundreds of people died, they have foiled a few plots afterwards, given that isis fighters and other jihadis have come from spain i suspect a more prosaic explanation is that following 11th of March 2004 they ramped up their security measures

And I suspect that people are most likely to attack those who are attacking them.

I'm not suggesting that pulling out of the ME would make us immune to attack. It's a bit late for that. But it would reduce the probability of our being attacked, which is a good thing.

 

[Pickman's model]

They had a major terrorist attack in which hundreds of people died, they have foiled a few plots afterwards, given that isis fighters and other jihadis have come from spain i suspect a more prosaic explanation is that following 11th of March 2004 they ramped up their security measures

and of course al qaeda peaked too early

 

[phildwyer]

no mass death anyway. but it's not for want of trying - lest we forget eg the bomb in haymarket, the attack in glasgow...

Aye. And can anyone doubt that there's more on the way?

Why are we putting ourselves in harm's way like this? For what? For who?

 

[Pickman's model]

And I suspect that people are most likely to attack those who are attacking them.

which brings us nicely back to the fact that the greatest number of isis victims are er muslim civilians. so how are you suggesting the muslim civilians attacked isis?

 

[Pickman's model]

Aye. And can anyone doubt that there's more on the way?

Why are we putting ourselves in harm's way like this? For what? For who?

how exactly are you in harm's way?

 

[phildwyer]

how exactly are you in harm's way?

Most of the time I'm in either the USA, the UK or Turkey. All of which puts me in harm's way. I feel safest when I'm in Mexico, who'd have thought it would come to that?

 

[Pickman's model]

Most of the time I'm in either the USA, the UK or Turkey. All of which puts me in harm's way. I feel safest when I'm in Mexico, who'd have thought it would come to that?

have there been any rumours of terrorist activity in the state in which you reside in the us?

 

[frogwoman]

I dont think it was ever explained how 'we' jolted jihadi john from his torpor

 

[phildwyer]

have there been any rumours of terrorist activity in the state in which you reside in the us?

Yes.

 

[Pickman's model]

I dont think it was ever explained how 'we' jolted jihadi john from his torpor

hearing wings' first album

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes.

ok. so i see from a quick google. but what did the muslim civilians do to deserve the isis attacks?

 

[phildwyer]

I dont think it was ever explained how 'we' jolted jihadi john from his torpor

We radicalize many Muslims when we invade Muslim countries.

 

[BigMoaner]

Aye. And can anyone doubt that there's more on the way?

Why are we putting ourselves in harm's way like this? For what? For who?

oil.

 

[frogwoman]

We radicalize many Muslims when we invade Muslim countries.

How do 'we' give someone the urge to fly halfway around the world to hack people's heads off with a breadknife?

 

[butchersapron]

How do 'we' give someone the urge to fly halfway around the world to hack people's heads off with a breadknife?

Someone's making me feel rather like that right now.

 

[phildwyer]

oil.

Profits from oil more like.

There are plenty of places we can buy oil. Even our enemies will sell us their oil, what else are they going to do with it? So it's not a question of possibly being deprived of oil, it's a question of possibly not being able to buy oil on terms which enrich the oil companies.

 

[phildwyer]

How do 'we' give someone the urge to fly halfway around the world to hack people's heads off with a breadknife?

We give many Muslims that urge by invading Muslim countries.

 

[frogwoman]

We give many Muslims that urge by invading Muslim countries.

'We' again

The overwhelming majority of victims of jihadists are muslim

The overwhelming majority are civilians

 

[frogwoman]

We give many Muslims that urge by invading Muslim countries.

Im quite capable of getting angry at antisemitism without wanting to join the idf and shoot palestinian kids in the head for chucking stones. To be capable of such an act goes beyond 'radicalisation'

 

[Pickman's model]

Im quite capable of getting angry at antisemitism without wanting to join the idf and shoot palestinian kids in the head for chucking stones. To be capable of such an act goes beyond 'radicalisation'

yeh. but if not only do they invade you but they send dwyer - i don't know what you'd do, but i'm sure it would persuade even the most pacifick muslim to take up arms.