The Elizabeth Line (aka Crossrail) is go!
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Puddy_Tat
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i think there have been (unofficial) published guides (either print or possibly online) about where to board underground trains depending on where you want to get off / change.
and an 'interchange' shown on the map can be cross platform like stockwell, or a bloody long walk like elephant + castle. a bit of knowledge is useful.
i am a bit out of practice with most of the network now.
T & P
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I suspect it might be to do with offering a single route for everyone including wheelchair users, or perhaps somehow deeming an alternative route that might involve walking the final 30 metres to the mainlne station concourse in the open air, as opposed to a direct all-indoor connection.
But whatever it might be, I really struggle to understand why whoever redesigned King’s Cross Underground would think it was better to send Victoria passengers wishing to exit to the railway station through an inexplicably long voyage of interminable corridors when it is possible to to get to the street level in no time to one of the exits a mere few metres away.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
i did crossrail from Stratford to Farringdon over half term, a bit underwhelmed if anything, the bit to Liverpool Street was still on the old lines, then a long walk down to crossrail for a further one stop. Nothing that exciting architecturally at Liverpool Street and Farringdon looked the same as it did three years ago. I mean it’s nice and everything, but I‘ve heard a lot of frothing about impressive architecture that I didn’t really notice anywhere.
The kids loved it though, and we got them a treat at the transport museum shop:
The kids loved it though, and we got them a treat at the transport museum shop:
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
That’s NATO’s fault…
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
as a guess, tightly curved platform, leading to a big gap between platform and middle doors?
It's definitely happened on a straight platform, and sometimes it does and does not happen at the same stations.
Crispy
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It's all to do with station capacity and safety. If everyone went the "quickest" way, there would be a crush at the escalators and crowds would build up on the platforms. The long tunnel route lets trainloads of people spread out, absorbing the crush.
You can see here how in the old layout, the Vic, Pic and Northern lines all emptied into the same place, from the ends of their respective platforms. If you get off at the old interchange location, the signs still point to it and it still functions like it used to. But if a train arrived on all 3 lines at the same time, it would clog up with people. So the signs point the "wrong" way for most of the platform in order to spread the load. PS: The new "long way round" tunnel is actually a shortcut if you're at the wrong end of the platform
For the record, to get the quick interchange/exit you want to be at the Southern end of the platform. So at the back of the train when coming from Brixton.
It's worse at Victoria. If you're transferring from Vic to the Circle, you have to go the long way round, as they run each bank of escalators in one direction only.
But again, it's all about spreading huge volumes of people out so there aren't any dangerous crushes.
Crispy
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Center door closing is used for the back half of the train at Paddington (upstairs) and yeah it's because the platform is tightly curved. And some existing stations on the old lines have front/rear doors closed due to short platforms. But it shouldn't happen elsewhere. Software bug probably.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
That sounds a bit subtle - a lot of stations there's going to be as many people getting on as getting off so they would need to open all the doors anyway.
Sounds more likely. At one time, the guard and / or driver did something if you couldn't open the front / back set of doors because of a short platform (and then would sometimes forget to un-do it before the next station). I've no idea how these things work now...
All the doors would open, but the front/rear doors would open slightly earlier than the middle doors, and lines on the ground would indicate where to stand if wishing to board.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
This works well in Japan - and avoids crushes.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Probably insufficient enforcement in place.
Gramsci
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Tried out the new line from Farringdon to Paddington. First thing that got me was the size. Also it was very quick.
It was easy to get train to Farringdon and change on to the Elizabeth line.
To be honest for me its not that useful. Places I go are inner London and the existing tube/ Overground serves me well. But is was good experience.
I know someone who lives out of Central London and its halved is commuting times. As he lives on its route. Also the price of his house had just jumped up due to opening of line. He bought it ages ago.
Given that London has changed imo permanently due to pandemic I'm wondering how useful this line is.
Take Bank Station. The refurbishment has almost finished. The logic behind it was that loads of people went to Bank to work in the City. Now its not needed. And imo never will be. City has changed for good.
Now WFH is permanent. New working week in the City from what Ive seen is Tuesday to Thursday. Whole offices are mostly empty all the time now.
I expect its the same at Canary Wharf.
The rail and tune strike just meant that people WFH. Loads of offices closed for the day. But it doesn't affect their business now so many are set up to WFH.
I'm wondering if some of these big projects are now a bit redundant.
What is needed is good bus service outside inner London. Which is now under threat. With Tories forcing cuts on TFL bus services.
Elizabeth line looks great and is outstanding engineering effort. But are big projects like this needed now?
It was easy to get train to Farringdon and change on to the Elizabeth line.
To be honest for me its not that useful. Places I go are inner London and the existing tube/ Overground serves me well. But is was good experience.
I know someone who lives out of Central London and its halved is commuting times. As he lives on its route. Also the price of his house had just jumped up due to opening of line. He bought it ages ago.
Given that London has changed imo permanently due to pandemic I'm wondering how useful this line is.
Take Bank Station. The refurbishment has almost finished. The logic behind it was that loads of people went to Bank to work in the City. Now its not needed. And imo never will be. City has changed for good.
Now WFH is permanent. New working week in the City from what Ive seen is Tuesday to Thursday. Whole offices are mostly empty all the time now.
I expect its the same at Canary Wharf.
The rail and tune strike just meant that people WFH. Loads of offices closed for the day. But it doesn't affect their business now so many are set up to WFH.
I'm wondering if some of these big projects are now a bit redundant.
What is needed is good bus service outside inner London. Which is now under threat. With Tories forcing cuts on TFL bus services.
Elizabeth line looks great and is outstanding engineering effort. But are big projects like this needed now?
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Gramsci
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How so?
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Gramsci
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Thats not an answer. What has NATO got to do with this thread? Why is it NATOs fault. You posted this. So I'd like to know why.
Gramsci
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Go off and start a thread on NATO in politics forums Don't put wind up posts on Transport forum about NATO.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
hard to tell if / when the next one will happen.
although would probably have cost almost as much to leave crossrail as a hole in the ground as to finish it by the time the effects of covid were known - and not sure we're yet at 'the new normal' - across the board, railways (depending on who you believe) are over 80% of pre-covid use, although there are suggestions there's more leisure travel and less commuting, so infrastructure for high peak capacity may not be needed quite so much in future.
and crossrail may be used as part of the argument for closing / mothballing the bakerloo line as it provides links to paddington...
Gramsci
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Your real comedian aren't you.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Gramsci
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I hope not as I'm a regular user of the Bakerloo line.
Gramsci
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A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
You wouldn’t get it…
Gramsci
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Your going on ignore.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Oh dear, now they will never find out why it was NATO’s fault…
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Elpenor
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Already talk of an extension to the wilds of north Kent
Elizabeth line to Ebbsfleet extension could cost £3.2 billion
A report looking at transport upgrades across the southeast of England suggests that extending the Elizabeth line into Kent would cost around £3.2 billion.
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