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The Elizabeth Line (aka Crossrail) is go!

Epona said:
I still haven't managed to work out whether the 300 still stops at Swallow Street (for the Lidl on Tollgate Road) and if so whether it will take longer to get there now if the bus is going a different route.

I am more interested in being able to access the budget supermarkets than the Crossfail.
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Do not despair Lidl and the Asda by Beckton bus station are still on the 300 route. It doesn't take any longer if coming from East Ham but the timetable has changed.

And some visual proof for your reassurance.

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tim said:
Do not despair Lidl and the Asda by Beckton bus station are still on the 300 route. It doesn't take any longer if coming from East Ham but the timetable has changed.

And some visual proof for your reassurance.

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Thanks, I got on it this morning to go to Lidl - the journey is actually a fair bit quicker now. I know that folks on the part of the route that was changed are rightly pissed off that they no longer have the bus due to it being rerouted to serve the crossrail connection, but for me it's a bit quicker to get to Lidl and Asda.
 
Right so here’s a question. Taking my debut ride on crossrail in a few weeks.

Which is the easier (shortest walk) connection. Northern - Crossrail at TCR or Jubilee - Crossrail at Canary Wharf?

Cheers
 
Numbers said:
The last time I was as excited to get on a train was when I first arrived in London in the 80s and was completely blown away by the tube, that was Paddington too.
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I , in 1979 , rode on the brand new Jubilee line ,which then went to Charing Cross, - was amazed. Fast , clean and new....

Context - I had an MA interview at the Polytechnic of Central London for a course in transport planning - the day before I got my results (solid 2/1) so celebrated in true style - but was on the 0710 from Aberystwyth for London and to say it was a struggle to get on the train was an understatement - the brilliant guard gave me a cup of tea and urged me on , so I did - a bacon sarnie at Salop helped and slowly the day improved.

London was in a heatwave and I gave possibly the worst interview of my life - but I got the place and funding.

So I rode the mint new JLE to Charing Cross , sat in the Embankment Gardens for a couple of hours and got the 1740 back from Euston.

(forgotten about this for years - but your comments rekindled these lost memories)
 
Why the fuck no toilets on the trains though? I know even the maximum journey time it’s probably under an hour, but incontinente and intestinal/ bladder conditions are very real and affect many people. Even some bog standard short-ish distance commuter trains built decades ago offer them. Would have been that much costlier to commission those new trainsets with a couple of bogs?
 
T & P said:
Why the fuck no toilets on the trains though? I know even the maximum journey time it’s probably under an hour, but incontinente and intestinal/ bladder conditions are very real and affect many people. Even some bog standard short-ish distance commuter trains built decades ago offer them. Would have been that much costlier to commission those new trainsets with a couple of bogs?
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Dunno really.

The 'networker' generation trains (the older ones still on south eastern built in the early 90s) were probably the first lot of inner suburban trains to be built with bogs - and used as justification for closing the bogs on stations. think most suburban train fleets (including the later ones on south eastern) since haven't had them.

it's not just cost of including them, but cost and practicalities of maintaining them, re-filling water tanks, emptying the crap tanks (they don't build trains where it all gets tipped straight on to the tracks any more) and the trade off between space for bogs and space for more seats...
 
My OH used it for the first time today and reported a marked improvement in her commute to Liverpool Street from Herne Hill. Apparently until now the change at Farringdon from the railway to the Underground platform to go to Liverpool Street was cumbersome and slow, as it involved going up and down various sets of narrow stairs clogged with other commuters.

But the transfer from the train to the Elizabeth Line platform is much shorter and faster, as it’s the journey itself compared with the Underground equivalent. She’s a convert.
 
I had time today to ride from Woolwich Arsenal to Paddington and then back to Tottenham Court Road. Was great fun :)

Stations are huge. Temples of transportation.

Trains are tall and wide. And quiet. They don’t make much noise at all.

Small details on the finish like the rubber(?) tooth like bits on the edge of the platform - look down the gap as stepping onto the train - I wondered what they were for (heels?).

Platform edge doors are great. I feel so much safer than when on the tube

Staff are still loving their job and good interaction “we’ve got marvellous long platforms so spread out along the whole length”

Getting out at Tottenham Court Road to the Dean Street exit took AGES. Learning which bit of the train to be in must be the smart move for a regular commuter given the length of the platforms

I rode it between 3 and 4pm and it wasn’t at all crowded.

The only pity is I’ll rarely have reason to ride it again as it doesn’t really go the routes I take in London
 
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Went from Tottenham Court Road to Stratford today, and it was pretty impressive architecture-wise, apart from the getting off and walking part way (which I believe will not always be the case), and fast.

Effectively contracted to the Chinese Communist Party, but who else would it be under a Tory government?
 
Apologies if it's already been covered, but what's the interchange from crossrail - DLR (or vice versa) at Canary Wharf like?

I made the mistake of trying to change from DLR to Jubilee Line there once and never again...

Just contemplating whether it might be worth the effort for visiting mum-tat (she's south of Lewisham, I'm east of Reading, so Twyford is do-able) and trying to decide whether Whitechapel then orange line to New Cross, DLR to Lewisham or what might be best. Woolwich then 2 buses would be a bit of a long way round.
 
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Puddy_Tat said:
what's the interchange from crossrail - DLR (or vice versa) at Canary Wharf like?
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I walked for what seemed like miles, and got lost at one point. Everything is worse the first time you do it, but it will always be a bit of a faff. Worse than DLR to Jubilee Line, as I remember, but I've only done that once as well.
 
Puddy_Tat said:
Apologies if it's already been covered, but what's the interchange from crossrail - DLR (or vice versa) at Canary Wharf like?

I made the mistake of trying to change from DLR to Jubilee Line there once and never again...

Just contemplating whether it might be worth the effort for visiting mum-tat (she's south of Lewisham, I'm east of Reading, so Twyford is do-able) and trying to decide whether Whitechapel then orange line to New Cross, DLR to Lewisham or what might be best. Woolwich then 2 buses would be a bit of a long way round.
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I haven’t been to the new crossrail station or timed it but given the location of the crossrail station from the outside, West India Quay or Poplar may actually be closer than Canary Wharf DLR.
 
Puddy_Tat said:
Apologies if it's already been covered, but what's the interchange from crossrail - DLR (or vice versa) at Canary Wharf like?

I made the mistake of trying to change from DLR to Jubilee Line there once and never again...

Just contemplating whether it might be worth the effort for visiting mum-tat (she's south of Lewisham, I'm east of Reading, so Twyford is do-able) and trying to decide whether Whitechapel then orange line to New Cross, DLR to Lewisham or what might be best. Woolwich then 2 buses would be a bit of a long way round.
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As Maltin says, West India Quay is probably closest but trains from there don't generally go through to Lewisham so you'd have to change trains at Canary Wharf DLR anyway. Similar for Poplar DLR.
Getting to Canary Wharf DLR from Elizabeth Line station - coming south out of the West entrance exit from Elizabeth Line station at 'water level', you can either
  • walk right, along the dock until you're under the DLR tracks and then turn left towards Canary Wharf DLR
  • or go straight up towards the road (North Colonnade) and turn right towards the DLR tracks.
(If changing to DLR from CW Jubilee Line, the trick is to use Heron Quays DLR, not Canary Wharf DLR)

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Lazy Llama said:
As Maltin says, West India Quay is probably closest but trains from there don't generally go through to Lewisham so you'd have to change trains at Canary Wharf DLR anyway. Similar for Poplar DLR.
Getting to Canary Wharf DLR from Elizabeth Line station - coming south out of the West entrance exit from Elizabeth Line station at 'water level', you can either
  • walk right, along the dock until you're under the DLR tracks and then turn left towards Canary Wharf DLR
  • or go straight up towards the road (North Colonnade) and turn right towards the DLR tracks.
(If changing to DLR from CW Jubilee Line, the trick is to use Heron Quays DLR, not Canary Wharf DLR)

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do you stop off for a bet at paddy power before moseying over for an aromatherapy massage and a taco when you change?
 
ouirdeaux said:
I walked for what seemed like miles, and got lost at one point. Everything is worse the first time you do it, but it will always be a bit of a faff. Worse than DLR to Jubilee Line, as I remember, but I've only done that once as well.
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Elpenor said:
Farringdon & hop on a Catford bound Thameslink?
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Lazy Llama said:
As Maltin says, West India Quay is probably closest but trains from there don't generally go through to Lewisham so you'd have to change trains at Canary Wharf DLR anyway. Similar for Poplar DLR.
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Thanks.

farringdon and thameslink to london bridge, then on to SE is another option, but not sure its worthwhile for a 'get from A to B' purpose just quite yet, especially with the change at paddington as well. will probably give it a go sometime anyway...
 
One often feels that in this country you ought to do some internet research to optimise your public transport journeys, in particular if you are mobility restricted or are carrying heavy luggage.

It’s mental, really. Many years ago I was going to Heathrow by Tube carrying two suitcases and struggling a bit, and when I changed at Green Park from the Victoria to the Piccadilly line, an employee told me to ignore the signs directing me to the puzzlingly long passenger tunnel connecting the two lines, and head to the exit up the escalator instead, then down the escalator to the Piccadilly line. Significantly shorter, somehow.

In a similar vein, since King’s Cross was refurbished a few years ago, exiting to the railway station from the Victoria line platforms is laughably long. Really absurdly long, actually. I know there’s a trick to it but can’t remember what route one is supposed to take.
 
Head for the old entrance (now isolated in middle of square) rather than newer entrance.
 
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