The Elizabeth Line (aka Crossrail) is go!

[teuchter]

Nothing wrong with the principle of building for future generations if the timeline can't be helped due to the complexity or size of the project, of course. But it is a bit grating when just about every other country in the world that embarks in similarly complex projects manage to complete it and get it running within a decade at most, and at a fraction of the cost for good measure.

This would be a good point if it weren't largely nonsense.

Even Switzerland managed to go over budget on one of their trans-alpine crossings and are currently operating the Lotschberg Base Tunnel with one track instead of the two that it was supposed to open with, about ten years ago.

 

[davesgcr]

Send an e-mail to the NYC MTA and ask for details on some impressive cost "challenges" - for example the 2nd Avenue Subway in it's various permutations.

Of course - Germany - Stuttgart Station anyone ......?

 

[T & P]

This would be a good point if it weren't largely nonsense.

Even Switzerland managed to go over budget on one of their trans-alpine crossings and are currently operating the Lotschberg Base Tunnel with one track instead of the two that it was supposed to open with, about ten years ago.

Nice spin there. I am sure every country in the world has had the odd project gone over budget or taken longer than planned. But I am also sure the UK has far, far more than any other country. Hell, even if a project is completed on time and within its budget, in the majority of cases it is still far more costly and it takes far longer than comparable projects elsewhere.

 

[teuchter]

It's good to hear that you are Sure of your Facts.

 

[T & P]

Though not as good as your insinuation that large infrastructure projects in the UK are consistently far more costly and take laughably longer amounts of time to complete than anywhere else.

 

[pbsmooth]

Liverpool St and Paddington now the busiest two stations, overtaking Waterloo.

Waterloo has just lost its crown as the UK’s busiest railway station

Another London hub has bagged the top spot.

www.timeout.com

 

[T & P]

Liverpool St and Paddington now the busiest two stations, overtaking Waterloo.

Waterloo has just lost its crown as the UK’s busiest railway station

Another London hub has bagged the top spot.

www.timeout.com

Is that passenger traffic actually using the mainline stations, or are they also adding on passengers who alight at the Lizard Line stop but don't use the mainline station?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Is that passenger traffic actually using the mainline stations, or are they also adding on passengers who alight at the Lizard Line stop but don't use the mainline station?

Includes LL traffic, which is the main reason.

 

[T & P]

Includes LL traffic, which is the main reason.

Ah, that makes sense. And I'd say it's kind of cheating a bit, certainly as far as which mainline station is the busiest. Long Live Waterloo!

 

[pbsmooth]

The data is here. Still can’t work out exactly what they’re counting.

https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/media/axnd1tyj/station-usage-2022-23-statistical-release.pdf

 

[teuchter]

They are counting "national rail" entries and exits. That includes the Elizabeth Line but not any underground lines. So, for example at waterloo, all the entries/exits from the tube there don't count. So it's a slightly silly measure, if you want to see how "busy" a station is.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Waterloo’s got some temporary bogs outside by the bike racks atm, so that’s seen me leaving and entering the station twice as much as I would need to if they were inside the station…

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Waterloo’s got some temporary bogs outside by the bike racks atm, so that’s seen me leaving and entering the station twice as much as I would need to if they were inside the station…

i'm not sure that counts as an entry / exit to the station, i think they only counted people going through the ticket barriers...

 

[pbsmooth]

They are counting "national rail" entries and exits. That includes the Elizabeth Line but not any underground lines. So, for example at waterloo, all the entries/exits from the tube there don't count. So it's a slightly silly measure, if you want to see how "busy" a station is.

And it’s estimates

 

[Dogsauce]

They are counting "national rail" entries and exits. That includes the Elizabeth Line but not any underground lines. So, for example at waterloo, all the entries/exits from the tube there don't count. So it's a slightly silly measure, if you want to see how "busy" a station is.

The Waterloo & City underground line used to be part of national rail (BR) rather than LU, so would have counted at one time! I wonder how much that would add?

 

[T & P]

I’m frankly more impressed with the title of busiest rail station by train movements. Which unless I am mistaken has been held by unpretentious, salt-of-the-earth Clapham Junction pretty much since I first arrived in this country in the 1990s

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

and its not even in Clapham.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

it's not as far away from clapham as loughborough junction is from loughborough, though

 

[Dogsauce]

it's not as far away from clapham as loughborough junction is from loughborough, though

Bollocks. It’s about twice as far away.

 

[tim]

The Waterloo & City underground line used to be part of national rail (BR) rather than LU, so would have counted at one time! I wonder how much that would add?

Since it mostly transports commuters arriving in the big trains to Bank Station, I wouldn't imagine it would make much difference.

Do the figures for Waterloo also include Waterloo East?