The don't blame me, I voted YES! MEGA-THREAD

[DairyQueen]

Okay, let's dump in a list of stories that we, as people who voted yes, can use to inform over our no voting fellow Scots.

Jack Straw on wonderful British democracy, in one of our finest papers. Ban referendums on independence. We won, end of story.

 

[geminisnake]

I don't want to brag, I want them to wake up and realise they've sold themselves, and us, down the river. I do however retain the right to wear an I TOLD YOU SO T shirt as soon as I make one.

 

[DairyQueen]

Changed..

George Galloway: YES will condemn England to permanent tory rule.

21.09.2014

Mr Miliband ... in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr programme, [said] most Labour governments had also had a majority in England.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Okay, let's dump in a list of stories that we, as people who voted yes, can use to inform over our no voting fellow Scots.

Jack Straw on wonderful British democracy, in one of our finest papers. Ban referendums on independence. We won, end of story.

The SNPs economics were based on oil at $100.00 a barrel, today it is $60.00, and according to an OPEC spokesman, likely to go lower. Be thankful to those who voted no, they have saved the country from much grief.

 

[geminisnake]

Bollocks, there is more to Scotland's income than fecking oil. And it's about time the fecking price came down. The oil is a fecking BONUS!

 

[geminisnake]

 

[gosub]

As I recall, better together was going on about oil prices fluctuating, (which they are) and Yes was going on about that being ridiculous and oil is always good news.

UK is not the only country that hasn't built up cash reserves off its oil, for an example of how to mismanage look over the Irish sea to the SNP's one time hero state Eire.
Having a low oil price during negotiations hardly helps.
UK government is looking at cutting tax to protect the jobs, Scotland would be less able to do that (the revenue stream wasn't a bonus they were an essential part of SNP costings).

Gloating over job losses, its WeePiper saying its good the price is coming down.

 

[Geoffrey]

20% of Scotland's GDP was stated as coming from oil if it were independent, based on oil at $115 dollars a barrel if I recall. Take half the value of that away and you've just wiped 10% of your GDP. That's going to hurt any country badly, whatever you say about it.

Edit for spelling.

 

[Pickman's model]

Okay, let's dump in a list of stories that we, as people who voted yes, can use to inform over our no voting fellow Scots.

Jack Straw on wonderful British democracy, in one of our finest papers. Ban referendums on independence. We won, end of story.

no one likes an informer.

 

[DexterTCN]

The SNPs economics were based on oil at $100.00 a barrel, today it is $60.00, and according to an OPEC spokesman, likely to go lower. Be thankful to those who voted no, they have saved the country from much grief.

Oil price huge, oil price low...never made any difference up here.

As was said many times during the debate...having oil is not bad.

(anyway we should nationalise it and store it till everyone else runs out)

 

[Sasaferrato]

Oil price huge, oil price low...never made any difference up here.

As was said many times during the debate...having oil is not bad.

(anyway we should nationalise it and store it till everyone else runs out)

Rather makes a mockery of the SNPs kindergarten economics though.

 

[Geoffrey]

Oil price huge, oil price low...never made any difference up here.

As was said many times during the debate...having oil is not bad.

(anyway we should nationalise it and store it till everyone else runs out)

But oil at the moment is only 2% of UK GDP so fluctuation in price will not have a massive impact. If it were 20% (as stated buy SNP if I remember correctly) of and Independent Scotlands GDP that kind of change in value would definitely have a much more negative impact on its economy.
And at this rate oil is moving towards costing more to extract than it is worth and a negative equity situation for oil in an independent Scotland would be pretty bad all round I would imagine. You could write what I know about oil on the back of a stamp however and I am no economist so might have missed something obvious here and it might not be as bad as I think!...

 

[DexterTCN]

.... You could write what I know about oil on the back of a stamp however and I am no economist so might have missed something obvious here and it might not be as bad as I think!...

Well..technically it goes like this.

You can grow stuff, so can anyone else with land and it's price cutting.

You can build stuff but there's a lot of competition and price cutting.

You can invent stuff...bit hit or miss.

You can work. So can everyone else, price cutting war again.

Everyone does all of those and everything else.

Oil you get for free, very few do. It's like a country winning the lottery, times a million.

The price goes down? You get less free money...hard times?

 

[Geoffrey]

Well..technically it goes like this.

You can grow stuff, so can anyone else with land and it's price cutting.

You can build stuff but there's a lot of competition and price cutting.

You can invent stuff...bit hit or miss.

You can work. So can everyone else, price cutting war again.

Everyone does all of those and everything else.

Oil you get for free, very few do. It's like a country winning the lottery, times a million.

The price goes down? You get less free money...hard times?

Yes I see your point, maybe not free though as extraction is pretty expensive I would think. Thing is though, I don't see it as an extra free amount if you are counting it in for you GDP as the SNP did prior to the referendum. It then becomes necessary for the economy and running of services in the country and not a bonus... and then wipe half the value off it and those service suffer.

 

[DexterTCN]

Yes I see your point, maybe not free though as extraction is pretty expensive I would think. Thing is though, I don't see it as an extra free amount if you are counting it in for you GDP as the SNP did prior to the referendum. It then becomes necessary for the economy and running of services in the country and not a bonus... and then wipe half the value off it and those service suffer.

OK put it this way...you have a magic money well.

Every second it gives you £100. Later on it only gives you £50.

Are you worse off?

 

[Bonfirelight]

OK put it this way...you have a magic money well.

Every second it gives you £100. Later on it only gives you £50.

Are you worse off?

depends if you've gotten used to spending £98.50 a second

 

[Geoffrey]

OK put it this way...you have a magic money well.

Every second it gives you £100. Later on it only gives you £50.

Are you worse off?

Ok so you allocate your £100 from your magic money well to pay for public service number 1 and public service number 2. Then later on it only gives you £50 and one of those public services has got to go as you can no longer afford to run it. Anyway, Scotland wasn't made independent and we are where we are. I'm off to bed, goodnight!

 

[DexterTCN]

Scotland doesn't allocate the magic well

 

[DexterTCN]

And even with independence..we wouldn't have it til 2016 either.

 

[Geoffrey]

Well yep that is true... though you can just imagine if Scotland was made independent that Alex Salmon would be holed up in his office, sweating, and druming his fingers on his large mahogany table..."that oil better go back up by next year Sturgeon, or were for it!".

 

[gosub]

I think the 2016 date was wishful thinking, but it would have been amusing to seen yet another SNP reverse ferret,this time to stretch out the settlement as long as possible whilst waiting for oil to rise