The Death of the Soul

[In Bloom]

See what you mean, but non-verbal communication still requires a language.

I suppose it depends on how you define language really. Not really my field, so I'm going to run away as fast as I can.

 

[phildwyer]

But since consciousness is apparently produced by the brain, and altering the brain clearly effects consciousness (just try drinking heavily or just plain bashing your head against the wall if you really desire proof), it follows that consciousness is dependent on the brain.

There is no evidence that consciousness is produced by the brain. Yes, physical changes to the brain affect consciousness, but changes in consciousness also affect the physical brain.

 

[axon]

There is no evidence that consciousness is produced by the brain. Yes, physical changes to the brain affect consciousness, but changes in consciousness also affect the physical brain.

The is an awful lot of evidence that the brain produces consciousness.
First we have yet to detect any evidence of consciousness in anything that doesn't have a brain, whilst consciousness can be detected in organisms that have had there feet removed, arguing that the site of conciousness is more likey to be the brain than the feet.
Secondly there are plenty of brains that show no evidence of conciousness.

Changes in conciousness do affect the brain, because the conciousness is an element of a well developed brain, i.e. they are the same thing physical thing.

To summarise..
Brain: Can be conscious or not
Consciousness: Always requires a brain to be present.

 

[In Bloom]

There is no evidence that consciousness is produced by the brain. Yes, physical changes to the brain affect consciousness, but changes in consciousness also affect the physical brain.

Yet if you behead someone they go all quiet

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Actually I'd say that the 'human community' is grounded in language, not the other way around. But the question then becomes: what is *language* grounded in? What makes significant representation possible? Is it not ultimately the transcendental signifier, or "logos?" In which case, the source of self-consciousness is logos, and we all know what logos is, don't we?

You don't really mean this do you?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

, but changes in consciousness also affect the physical brain.

Prove that.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

There is no evidence that consciousness is produced by the brain. .

So then where is it?

Also, where were you during the Terry Schiavo debate?

 

[gurrier]

There is no evidence that consciousness is produced by the brain. Yes, physical changes to the brain affect consciousness, but changes in consciousness also affect the physical brain.

There's no conclusive proof perhaps, but to say that there is 'no evidence' takes you far into the land of delusion. Do you know what evidence is? Jeez, you'd almost imagine that you'd go so far as to build your proof of a spaghetti monster on the assertion that some living people are really dead.

 

[118118]

In which case, the source of self-consciousness is logos, and we all know what logos is, don't we?

Word.
LOL

 

[In Bloom]

Word.
LOL

*badoom tsh*