The conflation of race with the issue of child abuse.

[Joe Reilly]

Aye. Annoying or perhaps deliberate by the bbc and the state. I would not put it past them, with their identity politics crap.

I'm sure its not accidental. It's not as if the terms are in anyway interchangable generally. It stands out only because in terms of discussions around race, religion and politics generally the term Asian is otherwise almost obsolete.

 

[manny-p]

I'm sure its not accidental. It's not as if the terms are in anyway interchangable generally. It stands out only because in terms of discussions around race, religion and politics generally the term Asian is otherwise almost obsolete.

Good shout Joe. Sometimes I think the powers that be do not actually want integration instead they are quite happy with the current state of play, with different communities competing against each other-divide and rule esque stuff. There are also like the BNP in that respect who are perfectly happy having racial segregation.

 

[Mr Smin]

On the Today programme this morning a statistic was given that suggested 'grooming gangs' were significantly disproportionately composed of men from an Asian background when compared to the make up of the general population. If this is the case then in relation to 'grooming gangs' it would not seem unreasonable to look into potential culturally specific beliefs and/or practices which could provide an explanation for/response to this finding.

What it doesn't impact on is an overall understanding of/response grooming activities which occur outside the context of a 'gang' and across ethnic groups; it doesn't even set these activities in proportion to those of 'grooming gangs'. Neither does it address the elephant in the room question of the shared cultural beliefs and/or practices which may explain the hugely disproportionate number of men (in comparison to women), from a variety of ethnic and class backgrounds, who engage in child sex abuse.

In short, while there may be an ethnic dimension to the 'grooming gangs', it needs to be kept in perspective.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Al Jazeera English is carrying this too. Academic study of ongoing police investigations indicates that when it's a gang rather than individuals, only 6% of cases are white perpetrators. AJE didn't have all the comparative data either, and I didn't catch the title of the study (which hopefully does have the rest of the numbers for comparison).

 

[Pickman's model]

You don't see Lenny Henry much these days, either.

And thank fuck for that

 

[Joe Reilly]

Good shout Joe. Sometimes I think the powers that be do not actually want integration instead they are quite happy with the current state of play, with different communities competing against each other-divide and rule esque stuff. There are also like the BNP in that respect who are perfectly happy having racial segregation.

Of course, what the left never seem to get is that identity politics is all about seperate development. One outcome is that there are inevitably different rules for different people. Today in an interview on Radio Five Live, the interviewer repeatedly stressed that the victims were 'out late' which is sailing periliously close to implying they were 'asking for it', which happens to mirror the attitude of too many in the Muslim community. The constant encouragement to adopt a course of special pleading also emerged in court where a number of the defendants claimed the judge was 'racist' while the jury was 'bnp'. The reflex toward moral relativism among the left is further evidence of the same trend and just as damaging.

 

[bemused]

I did listen to the piece on radio four this morning. It isn't a bad thing that most people feel uncomfortable linking a race or religion to a type of crime. However; here there does seem to be disproportionate number of Asian men grooming this girls and passing them around their social circle.

I wonder if these girls being predominately white is a consequence of the majority of vulnerable girls in the area being white rather than being targeted because they are white?

Martin Narey was very credible but I found Keith Vaz intent on painting anyone who asked if a link existed as repeating BNP slogans. It is a brutal problem and needs a brutally frank assessment, frankness not being one of Vaz's strengths you have to wonder if any investigation led by him and his select committee will be straight forward enough?