The conflation of race with the issue of child abuse.

[ItWillNeverWork]

Got that in none PDF?

I'm afraid not, no. A quick google came up with nothing,

 

[_angel_]

I'm not denying that Asian people abuse children. I'm questioning the inference that this crime is perpetrated primarily by Asian people.

Because they come from mainly Asian areas. It's hardly rocket science and no different from a paedophile in a white area being more likely to be white.

 

[Jon-of-arc]

It's not a narrow view. It's about as broad as it gets without having to include second hand reporting of these findings in the press.

I mean in general, not specific to this case.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Because they come from mainly Asian areas. It's hardly rocket science and no different from a paedophile in a white area being more likely to be white.

Jesus christ, did you bump your head in the night? I'm not making a point that is difficult to understand. I'll spell it out for you - the programme just aired gave the impression that child abuse in general is a crime carried out by Asian men. That is what I was questioning.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Jesus christ, did you bump your head in the night? I'm not making a point that is difficult to understand. I'll spell it out for you - the programme just aired gave the impression that child abuse in general is a crime carried out by Asian men. That is what I was questioning.

Got a link to this programme claiming most paedos are Asian?

 

[two sheds]

How dare you ask for the actual figures and not not trust our wise BBC guardians

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Got a link to this programme claiming most paedos are Asian?

Giving the impression is what I said. As you well know.

The programme does not seem to have been uploaded to iplayer yet I'm afraid.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

How dare you ask for the actual figures and not not trust our wise BBC guardians

Finally, someone who grasps the very simple point I was making.

 

[Edie]

Jesus christ, did you bump your head in the night? I'm not making a point that is difficult to understand. I'll spell it out for you - the programme just aired gave the impression that child abuse in general is a crime carried out by Asian men. That is what I was questioning.

I very much doubt any programme would 'give the impression' that child abuse is generally a problem only for the Asian community. You sure you were concentrating?

If your talking specifically about Asian male sex gangs and exploitation of white working class girls then yer it's a recognised problem. By the police, Child Exploitation and Online Protection Agency, youth groups and within the Pakistani community itself in Yorkshire.

Also, your arsey

 

[_angel_]

Is there some reason people who are Asian couldn't be also racistly targeting mainly white girls, you're not going to shit on your own doorstep. The implication seems to be to try and dismiss the accounts of the victims and pretend it's not happening.
I don't have tons of faith in BBC reporting, but what have they to gain by lying about this?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Fuck me you're thick.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

What is the problem here, that the BBC has turned a recognised problem, and down to regional demographics, into a national problem?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

What is the problem here, that the BBC has turned a recognised problem, and down to regional demographics, into a national problem?

Pretty much, yes.

 

[_angel_]

What is the problem here, that the BBC has turned a recognised problem, and down to regional demographics, into a national problem?

I don't understand what the problem is. I think people have been treading very lightly around this and when it was covered on Look North they were very very careful not to say anything potentially offensive.
Apparently that makes me thick.

Fuck me your thick.

"You're" not "your" brainache.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

I don't understand what the problem is. I think people have been treading very lightly around this and when it was covered on Look North they were very very careful not to say anything potentially offensive.
Apparently that makes me thick.

"You're" not "your" brainache.

Touche. But despite my spelling I am at least able to understand the simple point that was being made here. Fuck it. This thread isnt worth it any more.

 

[_angel_]

Touche. But despite my spelling I am at least able to understand the simple point that was being made here. Fuck it. This thread isnt worth it any more.

What simple point is that? What is your actual problem with this being reported?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

What simple point is that? What is your actual problem with this being reported?

 

[KeeperofDragons]

I watched the report and though white gangs were mentioned in passing the bent of the report was toward Asian gangs mainly Pakistani. I found this rather disturbing as it seems to shift the problem to one particular community when sexual exploitation of young women & children is a wider problem not helped in anyway by the sexulisation of young girls via clothing etc

 

[dessiato]

Pogofish will be along soon to tell you that there is a previous thread about this.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

also asia is kinda broad

i think probably 50% of humanity could be called asian

 

[Joe Reilly]

I'm not denying that Asian people abuse children. I'm questioning the inference that this crime is perpetrated primarily by Asian people.

Its a particular type of street grooming defined by the victims being selected and targetted because they are young and non-Asian/Muslim.

 

[Grandma Death]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17993003

Bumped because I cant see an active thread on it?? So...is there an issue in northern towns with groups of asian men grooming young vulnerable adults and how big exactly is the problem?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/08/asian-sex-gangs-on-street-grooming

This article appears to suggest that when abuse occurs and the assailants are asian it tends to involve groups rather than the singular.

I'd be interested in views on this because I think grooming cuts across class and race and I reject the views of those on the right who seek to make it about race/religion.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Anecdotally, as far back as the mid-90s, local agencies have been aware of the participation of ethnic minority men in some cases of serial abuse. But what has not emerged is any consistent evidence to suggest that Pakistani Muslim men are uniquely and disproportionately involved in these crimes, nor that they are preying on white girls because they believe them to be legitimate sexual quarry, as is now being suggested.

The Times investigation is based around 56 men convicted in the Midlands and north of England since 1997, 50 from Muslim backgrounds. Granted, such prosecutions are notoriously difficult to sustain, but, nonetheless, this is a small sample used to evidence the "tidal wave" of offending referred to by unnamed police sources. Martin Narey, the chief executive of Barnardo's, which has run projects in the areas concerned for many years, tells me that, while he is pleased to see open discussion of child sexual exploitation, he worries that "decent Pakistani men will now be looked at as potential child abusers". He insists: "This is not just about Pakistani men, and not just about Asian men. And it is happening all over the country."

While Narey acknowledges that "in the Midlands and north of England there does seem to be an over-representation of minority ethnic men in [offending] groups", he argues strongly that no useful conclusions can be drawn until the government undertakes a serious piece of research into what is a nationwide problem. (Keith Vaz, who chairs the Commons home affairs select committee called for such an inquiry today.) Narey also refutes the allegation that Muslim men are grooming white girls because of cultural assumptions about their sexual availability, as girls from minority backgrounds have been similarly abused.

Thus no official data exists on the ethnic or religious background of perpetrators of this form of child abuse, and local charities have stated publicly that they do not consider it a race issue. But it is worth noting that, when asked by the Times to collate its recent work according to ethnicity, Engage – based in Blackburn and one of the largest multi-agency organisations working on this issue – found that in the past year that 80% of offenders were white.

There is an ignoble tradition of racialising criminality in this country, in particular sexual offences, from the moral panic about West Indian pimps in the 1960s to the statistically dubious coverage of African-Caribbean gang rape in the 90s. But even those who do want further investigation into the apparent preponderance of Asian perpetrators tell me that this is not about cultural expectations regarding the sexual susceptibility of white females but rather about opportunity and vulnerability, especially of young people within the care system. It is certainly admissible to query just how beholden to "the tyranny of custom", as Wednesday's Times leader put it, are these twentysomething males who drive flash cars and ply their victims with alcohol.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jan/07/grooming-racialising-crime-tradition

 

[Louis MacNeice]

On the Today programme this morning a statistic was given that suggested 'grooming gangs' were significantly disproportionately composed of men from an Asian background when compared to the make up of the general population. If this is the case then in relation to 'grooming gangs' it would not seem unreasonable to look into potential culturally specific beliefs and/or practices which could provide an explanation for/response to this finding.

What it doesn't impact on is an overall understanding of/response grooming activities which occur outside the context of a 'gang' and across ethnic groups; it doesn't even set these activities in proportion to those of 'grooming gangs'. Neither does it address the elephant in the room question of the shared cultural beliefs and/or practices which may explain the hugely disproportionate number of men (in comparison to women), from a variety of ethnic and class backgrounds, who engage in child sex abuse.

In short, while there may be an ethnic dimension to the 'grooming gangs', it needs to be kept in perspective.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[manny-p]

I'm not denying that Asian people abuse children. I'm questioning the inference that this crime is perpetrated primarily by Asian people.

It's this type of grooming that is done more by asian men-cruising in cars etc. Most is done via the net by mostly whites.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

It's this type of grooming that is done more by asian men-cruising in cars etc. Most is done via the net by mostly whites.

Or within the family or family social networks, which is the highest proportion of all.

 

[manny-p]

Or within the family or family social networks, which is the highest proportion of all.

aye sorry you are right.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

We're both right I think

 

[Joe Reilly]

It's this type of grooming that is done more by asian men-cruising in cars etc. Most is done via the net by mostly whites.

Notice how the BBC and so forth tend to morph Muslim to Asian when this issue arises?

 

[manny-p]

Notice how the BBC and so forth tend to morph Muslim to Asian when this issue arises?

Aye. Annoying or perhaps deliberate by the bbc and the state. I would not put it past them, with their identity politics crap.