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The Big Bang Theory

theres a lot to hate about it - jerry seinfeld's standup at the beginning of almost every episode, the bass between scenes, the fact jerry seinfeld cant act, kramer being no where near as funny as a lot of people say he is (although sometimes michael richards could be excellent like when he was putting concrete into the washing machine)

Completely hated Seinfeld. It was so self-satified and absolutely dripped with NY smug.

I did have some afinity with George though.
 
It's really hard to beat Seinfeld, the last three seasons particularly. It's my joint favourate comedy alongside the Office. The BBT is probably the best 'not great' comedy there is currently.
i think the larry sanders show was better but those two easily the best two comedies of the 90s
 
theres a lot to hate about it - jerry seinfeld's standup at the beginning of almost every episode, the bass between scenes, the fact jerry seinfeld cant act, kramer being no where near as funny as a lot of people say he is (although sometimes michael richards could be excellent like when he was putting concrete into the washing machine)

The stand up is shit, that's why I particularly like the last couple of seasons when they just cut it out. I like everything else you've listed though - the slap bass is beautifully silly, it's such 'anti-sit com' music - the antithesis of the friends mood music that tells the audience what to think. I also like Seinfeld's inability to act, it sets him up as the straight man and lets the other three to shine. I think Michael Richards is by far the best comedy slapstick actor I've seen, although I prefer George and Elaine by a long shot.

Seinfeld certainly was smug and at times borderline misanthropic, but I prefered that infinately to the phoney moralism espoused by shows like Friends, Scrubs or Frasier. It basically held a mirror up to middle class America and its shallow, narcissistic and possessive lifestyle and laughed at it for what it is. Unlike many Seinfeld fans I really recon its all about the last three series which in almost every respect were near perfectly executed comedy gold.
 
Seinfeld certainly was smug and at times borderline misanthropic, but I prefered that infinately to the phoney moralism espoused by shows like Friends, Scrubs or Frasier. It basically held a mirror up to middle class America and its shallow, narcissistic and possessive lifestyle and laughed at it for what it is. Unlike many Seinfeld fans I really recon its all about the last three series which in almost every respect were near perfectly executed comedy gold.
i agree with almost all of that except im not sure about the final three series. only because its been a few years since i watched them all that im not sure one way or the other but i seem to remember not enjoying the final series as much as the previous ones
 
i agree with almost all of that except im not sure about the final three series. only because its been a few years since i watched them all that im not sure one way or the other but i seem to remember not enjoying the final series as much as the previous ones

Yeah, series nine was controversial with Seinfeld fans - some of the episodes almost dipped into surrealism. I loved it myself but it was to an extent a depature from the "nothing" narrative.
 
I didn't care for Scrubs or Friends either. I think it is a matter of characters you can relate to. I wouldn't invite any of the "Friends" to my house to get drunk. I can relate to the underdogs in Big Bang Theory. It's like going to game night at the comic book store. Been there, dated that.
 
I didn't care for Scrubs or Friends either. I think it is a matter of characters you can relate to. I wouldn't invite any of the "Friends" to my house to get drunk. I can relate to the underdogs in Big Bang Theory. It's like going to game night at the comic book store. Been there, dated that.

They're not that much of underdogs tho really are they? They're all highly intelligent and are payed to do what they love for a living. Two of them are are banging chicks way out of their league (at various stages) and one of them has no interest in women at all. I guess Raj has it worst, but in the grand scheme of things he's doing pretty much alright too. Heard a news item the other day that 40% of Indian children are undernourished. How fucked up is that?
 
Yes, that's pretty fucked up.

On what beach wouldn't those guys get sand kicked in their faces? I'm mean, we're basically talking Hobbits here. I know Nerd is the "new cool" but there's limits.

Yes, outside of a sitcom none of those guys would have a chance with Penny. Bernadette might look at Howard, but she'd weigh 50 pounds more and by middle age she'd top out at 400 pounds and be a complete shrew.
 
WTF is it with you people that think attractiveness is purely on very narrow physical criteria? Why wouldn't someone be hot if they're smart and funny? I don't get this league/punching weight categories shit, the heart wants what it wants
 
Yes, that's pretty fucked up.

On what beach wouldn't those guys get sand kicked in their faces? I'm mean, we're basically talking Hobbits here. I know Nerd is the "new cool" but there's limits.

Yes, outside of a sitcom none of those guys would have a chance with Penny. Bernadette might look at Howard, but she'd weigh 50 pounds more and by middle age she'd top out at 400 pounds and be a complete shrew.

hilariously the actors playing Penny and Leonard went out for quite some time...

also do people actually kick sand in peoples faces at the beach, or actually celebrate some superficial notion of alpha maleness? Maybe I hang around hipsters, nerds and art fags too much but I assumed that kind of shit ends after school for most people.
 
hilariously the actors playing Penny and Leonard went out for quite some time...

also do people actually kick sand in peoples faces at the beach, or actually celebrate some superficial notion of alpha maleness? Maybe I hang around hipsters, nerds and art fags too much but I assumed that kind of shit ends after school for most people.

Knowing that warms my heart as they look so good together.

Although i think there is an underlying tension between Penny & Sheldon that neither of them realise. The friends with benefits episodes, the one where Penny dislocates her shoulder. How many times has she sung soft kitty to him.
 
Although i think there is an underlying tension between Penny & Sheldon that neither of them realise. The friends with benefits episodes, the one where Penny dislocates her shoulder. How many times has she sung soft kitty to him.

Yeah that's the funny thing isn't it, that they are so unlikely friends. I quite like their friendship actually.

At first I thought Big Bang Theory was rubbish but it's grown on me and been promoted to acceptable in times of desperation TV.
 
Yeah that's the funny thing isn't it, that they are so unlikely friends. I quite like their friendship actually.

At first I thought Big Bang Theory was rubbish but it's grown on me and been promoted to acceptable in times of desperation TV.

Opposites attract, & you cant get more opposite than them 2. Just hope Comedy Central doesnt get it & ruin it.
 
I am still loving this show, it's still one of my favourite things on TV. Make of that what you will.
 
I have to agree. I think it's brilliantly written. And a perfect ensemble cast.

Bit horrified to see that the actor who plays Sheldon is in the new Muppets movie. I dont think he should be allowed to act in anything else.
 
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