Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
That's the one.
A man of many faults, but the man that held the country together during WWII.
Thatcher is dead
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A man of many faults, but the man that held the country together during WWII.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Churchill killed more people in ww2 than he managed in ww1 #bengalfamine
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Pitt the Elder.Oh good God no!
Give you a clue, he was PM when I was born.
i think you will find that it was the collective efforts and sacrifices of the UK's working class that 'held the country together' if you could lift your gaze away from the cult of personality hero worship for a moment (which obscures the bigger truth).
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Oh good God no!
Give you a clue, he was PM when I was born.
Vlad the Impaler?
(Oh, already answered.)
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
You’ve managed to pick the one bigger cunt than Thatcher there, well done.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
Got a 12 hour ban on Twitter for calling Thatcher a cunt under Priti Patel’s tweet about her. I didn’t know you could get banned for stating facts.
twitter is owned by a cunt who only bought it because he was butthurt about his kid coming out as trans
are you surprised
saying that he has lost billions due to butt hurt
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
There's a good argument to be made for the fact that Thatcher set in train the particularly vicious brand of right-wing populist Toryism that has seen us end up where we are. She purged the thoughtful tendency - the "wets" - from the party and left it in the care of a rump of ideologically-driven career politicians whose only interest was their careers, and thus making sure they got voted in by whoever it took to achieve this. Arguably, the lighting of the fires of populist outrage at poor people, disabled people, immigrants...in fact, anyone who wasn't "us" was done on her watch, even if she can't be held directly accountable for the excesses of Raab, Patel, Braverman, et al plus any number of less high-profile cash-grabbing, influence-peddling, morally vacant arseholes with whom we're saddled now.
Pre-Thatcher, there was a case to be made for the existence of the "conviction politician" (and I don't mean politicians who should BE convicted of offences, in this particular case); once she was finished with the Conservative party, there was no space for convictions, morals, or integrity. It was a bare naked land grab for cash, influence, and the minds of the tiniest-minded voters.
I remember, during her reign, when my dad said "It will take a generation to undo the harm she has done to her party". He was prescient, if somewhat optimistic.
CosmikRoger
Well-Known Member
Anyone talking about Thatcher and moral compass has got to be à fucking troll.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Oh good God no!
Give you a clue, he was PM when I was born.
Scipio Africanus?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Oh right, we're talking prime minister and now you mean pontifex maximusOh good God no!
Give you a clue, he was PM when I was born.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
She did what needed to be done.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
...to advance neoliberalism
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
That's a cop-out, Sass.
Great post existentialist. Your dad sounds just as sharp as you so evidently are. i don't particularly enjoy accepting the characterisation of any tory as "thoughtful" but it remains the case that there were some. my personal favourite of Thatchers period was John Biffen (remember him?). He always seemed a person of insight and honesty, and dare i say it, integrity. Many of his views i found to be quite objectionable, but his particular wing of the Tory Party were eventually pretty well decimated by the Thatcherite steamroller approach. Such Tory thinkers could not survive today.
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Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
No, it isn't. I have stated my view many times. If you happen to be interested, search. I do not propose to waste my time stating once again what has already been said.
There is no agreement to be had, so that is that.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
While I can concede that mining was at an end and the pits needed closing, if only from an environmental point of view without getting into the whole bullshit economic side of things, doing so without her or her predecessors coming up with a plan to replace the economy of 2/3rds of the UK other than “just move lol lmao” destroyed the economy of the north for 30 years and fractured many communities beyond repair
Then let’s move onto the many incidents of police oppression, the cover ups for Northern Ireland death squads and resolute determination to make the poor suffer.
She was not a good person and didn’t do what was right or indeed what was needed.
Indeed her cutting of funding to the garrison of the falklands and withdrawing of troops is what initially led to the junta choosing to move in under the impression Britain didn’t give a shit about the place
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Oh? Would you say the same thing about people delighting in the death of Pinochet or, for that matter, any other dictator?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Plenty of Tories supported Franco. Two even flew him from the Canaries to what was then Spanish Morocco.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
It’s funny that this doesn’t bother you about the royal family.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Nah, Liz Truss was only ever a kind of fanfic Thatcher.
Thatcher Cosplay I heard it once described as, just an empty husk of a human being.
10 years !
Can’t wait for Kissinger to go next, me.
