Terrorist attacks and beheadings in France
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Mo defo existed. It's big JC who's backstory is a bit more sketchy.
8ball
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I did read it. That's why I posted what I posted.
edit: Read it wrong, as it turns out.
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8ball
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Both have around five generation between their deaths and their histories being written.
What do we actually know about Mohammed?
www.opendemocracy.net
A period of forty years separates the death of Jesus from the writing of the first gospel. History offers us little direct evidence about the events of this period, but it does suggest that the early Christians were engaged in one of the most basic of human activities: story-telling. In the words of Mike White, "It appears that between the death of Jesus and the writing of the first gospel, Mark, that they clearly are telling stories. They're passing on the tradition of what happened to Jesus, what he stood for and what he did, orally, by telling it and retelling it. And in the process they are defining Jesus for themselves."
Athos
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Why are you so keen on being 'fair' towards a politician who claims Muslims have a right to slaughter innocent people (a sentiment no amount of 'context' can make any the less despicable)? I find this trend of tacitly legitimising murderous right wing ideas bizarre and dangerous.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
He also refers to 'the offending teacher'. Utter cunt. The worms are crawling out of the woodwork.
8ball
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Because I misread one of the sentences.
I thought it said "Muslims shouldn't". It would make more sense than saying that "the French shouldn't" because the French have not been killing in revenge for these murders.
It would have put a very different slant on the first part (not enough of a different slant that I would have agreed, but a different slant to the headline on its own).
But that's not what he said.
The wanker.
Sorry (esp to Dandred).
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ManchesterBeth
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back to Mitterand we go.
8ball
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Both have around five generation between their deaths and their histories being written.
What do we actually know about Mohammed?
A period of forty years separates the death of Jesus from the writing of the first gospel. History offers us little direct evidence about the events of this period, but it does suggest that the early Christians were engaged in one of the most basic of human activities: story-telling. In the words of Mike White, "It appears that between the death of Jesus and the writing of the first gospel, Mark, that they clearly are telling stories. They're passing on the tradition of what happened to Jesus, what he stood for and what he did, orally, by telling it and retelling it. And in the process they are defining Jesus for themselves."
Next you’ll be telling me Q is made up and Donald Trump isn’t going to Drain The Swamp next week.
Next you’ll be telling me Q is made up and Donald Trump isn’t going to Drain The Swamp next week.
If you have any evidence for these man made religions, post it here!
8ball
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A recommended read in respect of this ongoing difficult debate:
Green, E.G.T., & Staerklé, C. (2013). Migration and multiculturalism. In L. Huddy, D.O. Sears, & J.S. Levy (Eds.), Oxford Handbook of Political Psychology
Green, E.G.T., & Staerklé, C. (2013). Migration and multiculturalism. In L. Huddy, D.O. Sears, & J.S. Levy (Eds.), Oxford Handbook of Political Psychology
Not really needed though is it?
Don't be a cunt because you believe in a magic man in the sky would be better advice, don't you think?
Raheem
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I can think of better ways to fashion advice.
It’s not advice. It’s a summary of recent political and social psychological research (of all types). Research, that is, into the identity formation of immigrants, the reaction of preexisting populations and how this is mediated by assimilation and multiculturalist models. What you do with that research is up to you. Seems pretty silly, though, to attempt to form ideas about policy and practice without at leat attempting to engage with the academic research about the subject you are formulating ideas for.
I agree, but when people who believe in magic men in the sky, and then behead people because of their beliefs, it doesn't matter how academic you make it.
Yes it does. You think these things are unresearchable? I didn’t put that book chapter link up for a laugh. It’s directly relevant.
Pages 8-9, for instance:
What that says is that the more the French state stresses the incompatibility of their national values with that of Islam (such as by banning headscarves), the more that migrants will place higher subjective importance on their religious identity. So if you want to deemphasise a belief in magic men in the sky, you’re actually going to fail utterly if you do it by trying to suppress the religious practices associated with the belief.
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PursuedByBears
Go stick your head in a pig
Why not address the real problem, people who believe in magic men in the sky.
That is the issue. Nothing else.
Utter cunts.
I understand fleeing your home country because of war, war which was funded by the West, but leave you backwards ideas behind.
There is no god. Anyone who kills someone for that is a cunt.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
How do you suggest they be addressed?
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
So that's 6 billion odd who are the problem. Which is clearly bollocks, it's the ones who kill in their god's name that are the problem which are a minute fraction.
I do feel this sort of statement is just a continuation of Western arrogance. We've spend several hundred years telling brown people that we know better than them and that Christianity is the only religion, and killed quite a few who resisted. Now we're telling them that we know better than them and that they mustn't have any religion and instead believe as we believe.
Fuck us really
I do feel this sort of statement is just a continuation of Western arrogance. We've spend several hundred years telling brown people that we know better than them and that Christianity is the only religion, and killed quite a few who resisted. Now we're telling them that we know better than them and that they mustn't have any religion and instead believe as we believe.
Fuck us really
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Who is this 'we'? It doesn't include me, for a kick-off. I'm agin all organised religions, state-sponsored or otherwise. There's not a lot I can do about it, but please don't blame me for imperialism, Christianity etc or I'll start blaming you for things for which you have no responsibility, and that would be silly.So that's 6 billion odd who are the problem. Which is clearly bollocks, it's the ones who kill in their god's name that are the problem which are a minute fraction.
I do feel this sort of statement is just a continuation of Western arrogance. We've spend several hundred years telling brown people that we know better than them and that Christianity is the only religion, and killed quite a few who resisted. Now we're telling them that we know better than them and that they mustn't have any religion and instead believe as we believe.
Fuck us really
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
We = residents of western countries, particularly England, over the few centuries. Yes I don't like organized religions either, but as soon as we as individuals start telling people who believe in their religion that they shouldn't or that they believe in sky pixies and the like, then we're carrying on the western tradition of telling people in the rest of the world what they should believe.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Well my western country of origin is Ireland and their sky pixie of choice is (or was) Catholic bullshit which they only clung to as a cultural antithesis to the English. I'm quite happy to express my views on religion to anyone prepared to listen and that's not a western establishment tradition at all.
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