Terrorist attacks and beheadings in France

[Edie]

You’re abandoning those who are struggling against the forces of reaction because you don’t want to offend a section. You then call that section “Muslims”.

This post really cut through and showed me where my thinking was going wrong. It’s all too easy to make racist assumptions.

 

[butchersapron]

That's a difficult one, and will depend on the kids' age and understanding. You run the risk of parents imposing their religion on their kids.

Not just their's.

 

[Athos]

Not just their's.

I presumed he meant that the teacher would say he going to show the pics, and let parents decide where or not their own kids attend. Rather than giving them a veto on it being shown to anyone.

 

[butchersapron]

I presumed he meant that the teacher would say he going to show the pics, and let parents decide where or not their own kids attend. Rather than giving them a veto on it being shown to anyone.

Yep, no prob, but the idea is that this effects all of society later down the line.

 

[Jay Park]

That's a difficult one, and will depend on the kids'age and understanding. You run the risk of parched imposing their religion on their kids.

So here we are, at an impasse, but all in agreement that this was an awfully gruesome thing to happen. An appalling thing to happen anywhere, never mind within a community and to happen within a school setting at the age when young people need safety and security in order to properly develop.

 

[Jay Park]

All it would mean is that Catholic indoctrination would only continue outside of schools, where it happens anyway. You've got a strange definition of suppression.

so what’s the answer to indoctrination within the home setting? How do we monitor that? Copy the DPRK model?

 

[danny la rouge]

murdering cunt yes, but did you address or even consider the question asked?

Yes. Fully, comprehensively and decisively.

 

[Athos]

Yep, no prob, but the idea is that this effects all of society later down the line.

True.

 

[Jay Park]

True.

so how do we address that?

 

[ElizabethofYork]

When the kids were about 10, a christian fundie acquaintance of mine started moaning and complaining to anyone who'd listen that the school was "forcing homosexuality down the kids' throats". She started a campaign of hatred on social media against certain teachers.

It turned out that the kids had had a class discussion about different types of families.

The school rightly ignored her.

You can't reason with religious nutters.

 

[Pickman's model]

When the kids were about 10, a christian fundie acquaintance of mine started moaning and complaining to anyone who'd listen that the school was "forcing homosexuality down the kids' throats". She started a campaign of hatred on social media against certain teachers.

It turned out that the kids had had a class discussion about different types of families.

The school rightly ignored her.

You can't reason with religious nutters.

you seem to be conflating 'the religious' with 'the mentally ill' which i don't suppose is helpful to either the religious or the mentally ill. or the religious mentally ill.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

so what’s the answer to indoctrination within the home setting? How do we monitor that? Copy the DPRK model?

Off topic completely.

 

[Athos]

so how do we address that?

By rejecting every effort to impose religious rules on others e.g. attempts to ensure educators comply with the Islamic prohibition of images of Muhammed.

 

[LDC]

so what’s the answer to indoctrination within the home setting? How do we monitor that? Copy the DPRK model?

Partly by fostering a political and social culture where oppressive religious behaviour gets challenged and then transcended. Something your position is running counter to.

 

[Jay Park]

Off topic completely.

you know, I hate that I am gonna humour this. I do.

alas, have you ever been on topic?

 

[ElizabethofYork]

you seem to be conflating 'the religious' with 'the mentally ill' which i don't suppose is helpful to either the religious or the mentally ill. or the religious mentally ill.

Well, there's certainly an argument that all extremist religious people are mentally ill.

But this was in response to the argument that if you teach something in a respectful manner, that will appease the bigoted twats. Unfortunately that's not the case.

 

[Pickman's model]

so what’s the answer to indoctrination within the home setting? How do we monitor that? Copy the DPRK model?

only allow secular indoctrination

next

 

[Jay Park]

Partly by fostering a political and social culture where oppressive religious behaviour gets challenged and then transcended. Something your position is running counter to.

how to make the distinction between oppressive religious behaviour, conservative religious behaviour, or a loose fitting of religious guidelines for one’s life.

How to make that distinction?

 

[Pickman's model]

Well, there's certainly an argument that all extremist religious people are mentally ill.

is there? go on then.

But this was in response to the argument that if you teach something in a respectful manner, that will appease the bigoted twats. Unfortunately that's not the case.

now you seem to be equating the mentally ill with bigoted twats.

 

[Spymaster]

If this actually is a more-than-averagely-subtle troll, it's in very poor taste.

Not trolling, but you're right. I'd never have thought that I'd be the one to explain to a bunch of fucking lefties why gratuitously offending a minority may not be the best way to get one's point across.

 

[butchersapron]

Not trolling, but you're right. I'd never have thought that I'd be the one to explain to a bunch of fucking lefties why gratuitously offending a minority may not be the best way to get one's point across.

Here you go again definitely not characterisng the teacher and actions as i suggested. It's pretty much all you've done on the thread - yet you demur?

 

[butchersapron]

So, everyone had their lunch and off we go again?

 

[Jay Park]

I had a friend at uni, he was heavily into the jihadi stuff. I never challenged him, we just talked about stuff like how it is to be a 3rd generation Bengali Brit. How his family came to be in the UK, and other (rudimentary) political and sociological stuff.

We never had any classes where his beliefs were openly ridiculed, but by the end of uni he’d changed.

there’s more than one way to cut the cake.

 

[Pickman's model]

So, everyone had their lunch and off we go again?

reinvigorated

 

[Athos]

Not trolling, but you're right. I'd never have thought that I'd be the one to explain to a bunch of fucking lefties why gratuitously offending a minority may not be the best way to get one's point across.

Showing pupils the material that's the subject matter of the discussion isn't gratuitous. Nor was anyone exposed to that material against their will.

 

[danny la rouge]

Not trolling, but you're right. I'd never have thought that I'd be the one to explain to a bunch of fucking lefties why gratuitously offending a minority may not be the best way to get one's point across.

“Gratuitously offending a minority”. That’s your judgement of this guy’s lesson, a lesson you didn’t attend.

I didn’t attend either, but there are lots of ways of offending certain minorities. Just being gay, for one.

It’s not “lefties” who are confused here (whatever that term is intended to encompass here), but blancmange-brained moral relativist appeasers of the reactionary right.

 

[Athos]

I had a friend at uni, he was heavily into the jihadi stuff. I never challenged him, we just talked about stuff like how it is to be a 3rd generation Bengali Brit. How his family came to be in the UK, and other (rudimentary) political and sociological stuff.

We never had any classes where his beliefs were openly ridiculed, but by the end of uni he’d changed.

there’s more than one way to cut the cake.

Nobody is proposing ridiculing anyone.

 

[danny la rouge]

So, everyone had their lunch and off we go again?

Just about to have mine. I’ve been busy, but I see things haven’t changed much.

 

[Jay Park]

reinvigorated

apart from those who may have had an all day full-English. Them’s may be a tad sluggish

 

[Jay Park]

Nobody is proposing ridiculing anyone.

but the cartoons