SUVs make up more than 40% of new cars sold in the UK – while fully electric vehicles account for less than 2%

[Rob Ray]

Enough people seem to have plenty to say on the matter, always a bit shy when asked for details rather than sounds bites though.

But what are they saying, Bahnhof? Has anyone suggested that you consult with them first before your next purchase? Or have they in fact been making general points about the phenomenon of very large motors and their impact on the surrounding environment/social culture like they're fully entitled to do?

Perhaps you should be prepared to dispense specific personalised advice on every issue you ever have an opinion about eh? "The NHS should have more money" - "alright smarty pants how about looking over the accounts at Addenbrook". Etc etc.

 

[editor]

No surprise that nearly 20 pages later editor has chosen to not answer of these…




Let’s go.

Oh for fuck's sake. I'm not going to argue each and every individual's claimed cases. The thread is - and always has been - about the general, wholly negative and dangerous environmental impact of SUVs.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The thread is - and always has been - about the general, wholly negative and dangerous environmental impact of SUVs.

Utter shite. The OP, which was yours btw, was bemoaning that only 2% of new cars were fully electric.

You posted that op.


You gave Spymaster some kind of penalty points for pointing out that you would be moving the goalposts all over the shop during this thread.

You are still doing exactly that.

Time to rescind his thread ban, remove the penalty points and debate this issue like a grown up. Can you manage that, at least?

 

[editor]

Utter shite. The OP, which was yours btw, was bemoaning that only 2% of new cars were fully electric.

You posted that op.


You gave Spymaster some kind of penalty points for pointing out that you would be moving the goalposts all over the shop during this thread.

You are still doing exactly that.

Time to rescind his thread ban, remove the penalty points and debate this issue like a grown up. Can you manage that, at least?

Really got no idea what you're going on about - the OP was over three years ago, FFS - but if a poster wants a thread ban lifted, they can contact the mods. And if that poster isn't you, then it's none of your fucking business.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Really got no idea what you're going on about - the OP was three years ago, FFS - but if a poster wants a thread ban lifted, they can contact the mods. And if that poster isn't you, then it's none of your fucking business.

A poster can’t request a thread ban be lifted on the thread they are banned from. That is not a hard concept to grasp.

Possibly Spy wouldn’t choose a thread where he got censured for wholly accurately predicting that you would be continually moving the goalposts, which is precisely what you have been doing freely ever since they suggested you would do just that..

 

[Kid_Eternity]

A poster can’t request a thread ban be lifted on the thread they are banned from. That is not a hard concept to grasp.

Possibly Spy wouldn’t choose a thread where he got censured for wholly accurately predicting that you would be continually moving the goalposts, which is precisely what you have been doing freely ever since they suggested you would do just that..

Want my advice? Let it go, you get nowhere arguing with admin on this site or any other.

 

[Rob Ray]

Utter shite. The OP, which was yours btw, was bemoaning that only 2% of new cars were fully electric.

You know anyone can go back to that post, look at it and see what it says right? In which the mention of electric vehicles is clearly an aside and his actual written line was entirely about SUVs:

For fuck's sake. Unless they have some vaguely justifiable reason for buying these ridiculous polluting status symbols, they should tax the fuck out of them. People driving them around crowded city streets should be made to feel as uncomfortable as people wearing fur.

?

Like you can argue his use of the word "SUV" at the time was too broad, which in the subsequent 90+ pages has been extensively gone over, but his original post and what it was focused on very much is what he says it is.

 

[souljacker]

For what its worth Bahnhof Strasse , I used to get my nan, her wheelchair, 2 kids and a wife into a pug 306.

 

[editor]

A poster can’t request a thread ban be lifted on the thread they are banned from. That is not a hard concept to grasp.

Are you some kind of fucking idiot? All they have to do is send a message to the mods asking for the ban to be lifted. What's so difficult about that?

They certainly don't need some beef-laden third party shoving their oar in and disrupting the thread over a - what - 3 year old mod decision. It's all a bit weird, of you ask me.

FYI: I certainly won't be discussing it any further here. Feedback forum ->

 

[editor]

For what its worth Bahnhof Strasse , I used to get my nan, her wheelchair, 2 kids and a wife into a pug 306.

Of course you did. I imagine most of us have had disabled friends or family who have managed to get around perfectly well before the arrival of luxury SUVs.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

You know anyone can go back to that post, look at it and see what it says right? In which the mention of electric vehicles is clearly an aside and his actual written line was entirely about SUVs:

What is the title of the thread?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

For what its worth Bahnhof Strasse , I used to get my nan, her wheelchair, 2 kids and a wife into a pug 306.

We also have a Seat Leon, same size as a 306, and we can’t get the wheelchair in the boot, it has to go in the back, so the kids can’t legally be seated there. Which is why we bought an electric Q8.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Want my advice? Let it go, you get nowhere arguing with admin on this site or any other.

Of course, a reason so many good people no longer bother with this place. Quite sad really.

 

[SpookyFrank]

We also have a Seat Leon, same size as a 306, and we can’t get the wheelchair in the boot, it has to go in the back, so the kids can’t legally be seated there. Which is why we bought an electric Q8.

How do you find transferring someone into a wheelchair from the SUV, compared to a car where the seats are broadly at wheelchair height? My mate drives a 308 because he can get a folded wheelchair in the passenger seat, set it up on the roadside then hop across into it from the driver's seat. That would be impossible in a car with a higher driving position.

If it's about transporting someone else who uses a wheelchair, you'd think an estate car would be ideal. But it seems likely that estates will go extinct in favour of more fattened-up hatchbacks.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

How do you find transferring someone into a wheelchair from the SUV, compared to a car where the seats are broadly at wheelchair height? My mate drives a 308 because he can get a folded wheelchair in the passenger seat, set it up on the roadside then hop across into it from the driver's seat. That would be impossible in a car with a higher driving position.

If it's about transporting someone else who uses a wheelchair, you'd think an estate car would be ideal. But it seems likely that estates will go extinct in favour of more fattened-up hatchbacks.

She can just about use her legs, but her sciatica causes a lot of pain to get in to the Leon. We did have an estate, a diesel, swapped for an electric SUV as there wasn’t an electric estate on the market at the time except the Taycan Cross Turismo which she struggled to get out of when we tested it . Personally I prefer an estate, SUV’s wallow around like a boat but I put the needs of others before my own pleasures cos I am some kind of actual hero.

 

[SpookyFrank]

We did have an estate, a diesel, swapped for an electric SUV as there wasn’t an electric estate on the market at the time except the Taycan Cross Turismo which she struggled to get out of when we tested it . Personally I prefer an estate, SUV’s wallow around like a boat but I put the needs of others before my own pleasures cos I am some kind of actual hero.

The issue here is clearly not just customer choice. What is available for you to choose as a customer is increasingly limited.

 

[Silas Loom]

The issue here is clearly not just customer choice. What is available for you to choose as a customer is increasingly limited.

Decreasingly, surely? I bought an electric car in 2019 and there were only two viable models in my price range. In a couple of years, it’s much more likely that there will be electric estate/touring models as an alternative to samey SUVs.

 

[Rob Ray]

What is the title of the thread?

"SUVs make up more than 40% of new cars sold in the UK – while fully electric vehicles account for less than 2%"

What's the content of the first post, ie. the intent you are attributing to him? I did give you a hint by directly quoting it, which for some reason or other you ignored. What are his second, third and fourth posts about? What does he clarify about the electric cars comment in his fifth post?

Editor regularly says things that can be disagreed with but his intent is actually very consistent from the start as far as I can see.

Maybe rather than being glib you could try accepting that your characterisation of him moving goalposts wasn't accurate.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

"SUVs make up more than 40% of new cars sold in the UK – while fully electric vehicles account for less than 2%"

Ta

 

[MickiQ]

Thread title is a bit out of date now, in 2022 electric cars made up 16.6% of all sales with plug-in hybrids making up another 6.3%

 

[Rob Ray]

Ta

Long as you're happy I guess.

 

[pbsmooth]

No surprise that nearly 20 pages later editor has chosen to not answer of these…




Let’s go.

Skoda Octavia is always the answer isn't it

 

[UnderOpenSky]

The issue here is clearly not just customer choice. What is available for you to choose as a customer is increasingly limited.

My Dad used a Berlingo for this (with ramp) . But it didn't go like an Audi.

 

[SpookyFrank]

The obvious thing (short of a direct ban) is a multi-pronged attack - make it expensive, inconvenient and socially unacceptable. Yes they can pay extra tax, but are they willing to when it's also an invitation for constant dirty looks, never being let out on a turn, having your car called out for being a prick's palace every time it's mentioned, keyings, rising petrol prices etc? The trick is to make having one less appealing, any step towards that is weight on the No Sale side of the scale.

I'm convinced there's a contingent of Chelsea tractor owners for whom pissing people off is a big part of the appeal. This explains why the damn things keep getting uglier and uglier with every passing year. Saw a BMW X8 the other day, there's no way that thing wasn't deliberately designed to be offensive to everyone outside it.

 

[editor]

We also have a Seat Leon, same size as a 306, and we can’t get the wheelchair in the boot, it has to go in the back, so the kids can’t legally be seated there. Which is why we bought an electric Q8.

Unless you're some kind of elected representative of all SUV owners, this thread really isn't all about you and your claimed circumstances, you know.

 

[editor]

Thread title is a bit out of date now, in 2022 electric cars made up 16.6% of all sales with plug-in hybrids making up another 6.3%

I can't find UK figures for SUVs, but to me the focus is more about the increased bulk, height, weight, use of resources, danger to pedestrians and inferior efficiency of SUVs over 'regular' cars - whether they be electric or petrol driven.

However it would seem that around half of all new cars bought are described as SUVs or crossovers, and the vast majority of those are petrol driven. And that's terrible news for the environment.

Crossovers and SUVs reached a major sales milestone in the first six months of the year by accounting for more than half of total new vehicle deliveries in Europe for the first time ever. Their market share grew to 51 percent, representing a significant jump compared to the first half of 2022 when it was at 48 percent.

Looking at the top 10 most popular SUVs in H1 2023, the Tesla Model Y was first with 138,152 units, or a whopping 207 percent more than in the same period of last year. The only other SUV that managed to generate over 100,000 sales was the Volkswagen T-Roc with 104,465 (up by 32 percent). Toyota nearly made it to the six-figure club with the Yaris Cross (96,849 units), representing an increase of 49 percent

SUVs accounted for more than half of sales in Europe for the first time ever

Demand for SUVs grew by 23 percent to 3.37 million in the first six months of 2023, reaching a market share of 51 percent compared to 48 percent in H1 2022.

uk.motor1.com

And a reminder:

SUVs are way worse for the planet than anyone previously thought

Sales of hefty and heavily-polluting SUVs have doubled in the last decade – outweighing the progress made from electric vehicles. Can cleaner SUVs offer a way out?

www.wired.co.uk

 

[Rob Ray]

No see it definitely was all about him to start with because your original post title contains the phrase "new cars." Checkmate, editor, you need to stop moving those goalposts.

 

[Looby]

Unless you're some kind of elected representative of all SUV owners, this thread really isn't all about you and your claimed circumstances, you know.

He’s not the only one that’s talked about reasons for choosing a particular car and others were dismissed too so maybe he’s the only one still bothering to chip in.

 

[editor]

He’s not the only one that’s talked about reasons for choosing a particular car and others were dismissed too so maybe he’s the only one still bothering to chip in.

But this is a thread discussing about the environmentally negative impact of SUVs as they continue to grow massively in popularity. It's not about an individual's unverifiable personal circumstances and justifications and it's not my fault he's decided to take it totally personally despite bragging about owning a luxury SUV earlier.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Unless you're some kind of elected representative of all SUV owners, this thread really isn't all about you and your claimed circumstances, you know.

I was politely answering a question, thanks very much, Mr Sweary-shouty-angryman.