SUVs make up more than 40% of new cars sold in the UK – while fully electric vehicles account for less than 2%

[JimW]

This isnt about road deaths in general though, it’s about road deaths caused by a specific shape of car.

Far easier to save lives on the railway than save lives by banning adverts for particular shaped cars.

Since the vast majority of rail fatalities are suicides you'll just shift the problem elsewhere after your tech innovations. people aren't dying there for a last glimpse of the track before they go, just choosing it because it's relatively easy and likely to work.

 

[platinumsage]

That's because you'be not factored in the manufacture and supply chain on the one hand versus the carbon footprint of two horses fucking on the other. Also easier and greener to dispose of the gee gees and even tasty if you're French.

Also add in the grazing acreage and the animal welfare problems that come with making horses do 10000 miles a year, to name but two.

 

[maomao]

That is complete and utter bollocks. The figures a couple of pages back go to show that the number of deaths on the roads in 2018 (1,784) was more than five times the number on the railways even if you include suicides. If you don't it's more than forty times, and that still includes people doing daft things at level crossings, despite lights, barriers and the rest of it.

What you are effectively arguing here is that we should ignore hundreds of preventable deaths on the roads each year and spend untold millions of pounds on motion sensors, cameras and the rest of it to prevent - probably - a couple of dozen deaths on the railway. Are you for real?!

I thought he was a returnee until this thread. Now I'm pretty sure he is actually Dominic Cummings.

 

[JimW]

Also add in the grazing acreage and the animal welfare problems that come with making horses do 10000 miles a year, to name but two.

Well then you have to add in all the tarmac and car parks. Didn't see Genghis Khan and his horde struggling to find a spot to park.

 

[Sprocket.]

The CO2 figures for those 1.3 engines are pretty shocking by today’s standards, and higher than many new large SUVs

Exactly.
I’ll be bothered about that when they stop flying pet food in from the Far East.

 

[maomao]

Well then you have to add in all the tarmac and car parks. Didn't see Genghis Khan and his horde struggling to find a spot to park.

Also the chemicals to produce the fertiliser horses make for free.

 

[Spymaster]

Exactly.
I’ll be bothered about that when they stop flying pet food in from the Far East.

Bingo

 

[Roadkill]

Far easier to save lives on the railway than save lives by banning adverts for particular shaped cars.

That's exactly what it isn't. Not when nine in ten deaths are suicides and many of the rest are level crossing accidents caused by people taking a lethal risk to save a few minutes. But:

I thought he was a returnee until this thread. Now I'm pretty sure he is actually Dominic Cummings.

There is a third possibility:

Whatever the reason, though, this is all very tedious. I'm out.

 

[Spymaster]

We'll all be in canoes like it or not if people don't stop burning so much fucking petrol.

Posts like this are the reason everyone thinks you're an idiot.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Exactly.
I’ll be bothered about that when they stop flying pet food in from the Far East.

I'm gonna start driving mine in from the Far East instead, will need a car with some off-road ability, anyone got any recommendations?

 

[Spymaster]

A V8 Range Rover really is in a different league to a QashQai...

Precisely. And the uplift in SUV ownership mentioned in the stupid OP article is because more people are buying the latter type. Not the V8 stuff. This is why the article is a load of old wank.

 

[platinumsage]

That's exactly what it isn't. Not when nine in ten deaths are suicides and many of the rest are level crossing accidents caused by people taking a lethal risk to save a few minutes. But:

Your desire to exclude suicides and risk-taking from deaths that can be prevented is bizarre. Blame doesn't come into it.

There is a third possibility:

Whatever the reason, though, this is all very tedious. I'm out.

You keep saying that, yet you persist with your unsupportable argumentation.

 

[Spymaster]

It would be a better world if people just let other people get on with their choice of transport that they are happy with.

Nail on the head again. People who complain about "SUVs" without actually knowing anything about them, don't really give a fuck about their environmental impact. This is evidenced by the fact that as soon as it's pointed out to them that their initial witterings about pollution are nonsense, they'll swiftly find another reason to attack them.

It's the lifestyles of the people who own them that they find objectionable, not the cars!

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

This is a perfectly normal family car:



Will probably have something like a small 1.0 - 1.6l 3 or 4 cylinder engine, front wheel drive. Overall length and width exactly the same as any other hatchback out there. Just a bit taller.


This is a range Rover. May well have a 5.0L V8 and be the size and weight of a small planet.



Both are a "SUV".

Now, I'd still say neither has much right to be driving into the centre of any city, or even being used for the school run of less than 2 miles. But to argue against the first with the same arguments as the latter is just daft.

 

[not-bono-ever]

v8 range rovers slabs are utter wank. we all agree on that. latest hybrid suvs are seriously low tax because of their emissions. same size body are the non hybrid ones. should i still hate?

 

[platinumsage]

Nail on the head again. People who complain about "SUVs" without actually knowing anything about them, don't really give a fuck about their environmental impact. This is evidenced by the fact that as soon as it's pointed out to them that their initial witterings about pollution are nonsense, they'll swiftly find another reason to attack them.

It's the lifestyles of the people who own them that they find objectionable, not the cars!

Plenty of people on here seem to enjoy old camper vans etc, far more lethal and polluting even than a modern Range Rover.

It's obviously about lifestyle.

 

[not-bono-ever]

ffs, even the panamera hybrid gets 80. mpg and lower emissions than a mini..

 

[JimW]

Nationalise all car manufacturer and offer three sizes of absolute wiffly hybrid in one colour only suited to various physical abilities and family sizes. Then ration them too just because. Added bonus that watching people work out where they've parked outside the supermarket can become a healthy outdoor national pastime.

 

[platinumsage]

Nationalise all car manufacturer and offer three sizes of absolute wiffly hybrid in one colour only suited to various physical abilities and family sizes. Then ration them too just because. Added bonus that watching people work out where they've parked outside the supermarket can become a healthy outdoor national pastime.

I am sure there will be more congestion when everyone gives up cycling after they discover how uncomfortable the national bicycle is.

 

[JimW]

I am sure there will be more congestion when everyone gives up cycling after they discover how uncomfortable the national bicycle is.

Not under my rationing regime, it'll be like the streets of Pyongyang under the elder Kim.

 

[SpookyFrank]

v8 range rovers slabs are utter wank. we all agree on that. latest hybrid suvs are seriously low tax because of their emissions. same size body are the non hybrid ones. should i still hate?

Yes. They take up too much room and they're a menace to other road users.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Yes. They take up too much room and they're a menace to other road users.

my current honda takes up less room than my exploration mondeo

 

[Yossarian]

Nationalise all car manufacturer and offer three sizes of absolute wiffly hybrid in one colour only

"You can have any colour you want, as long as it's also used for tobacco warning labels."

 

[Looby]

Yeah my small SUV is only very slighty bigger than my Corsa hatchback.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Yeah my small SUV is only very slighty bigger than my Corsa hatchback.

Probably should've just got another Corsa then, would have been cheaper.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I think we're now talking about 'crossovers' which are just generic hatchbacks jacked up a bit to look more SUV like.

 

[Spymaster]

Yeah my small SUV is only very slighty bigger than my Corsa hatchback.

No no, Loobs.

As idiots say, "The size, weight and drag of SUVs means they consume more fuel and emit more carbon dioxide than the average car "

 

[Spymaster]

Probably should've just got another Corsa then, would have been cheaper.

So you know what she paid for the SUV then?

You really do nothing to improve people's perceptions of your critical faculties with posts like this, Francis.

 

[Doodler]

Better yet, make driving tests more difficult and have periodic re-tests. Recent observations of people trying to steer with their knees while holding sandwiches, looking round to make eye contact with passengers in the back etc, suggest a good 10-15% of drivers can barely be trusted with a dodgem.

 

[Looby]

Probably should've just got another Corsa then, would have been cheaper.

It didn’t meet my needs but thanks for your concern about my finances.