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hiraethified
The two are completely unrelated issues. Your attempts to link mental health issues with private car ownership as a means of proving that railways are somehow worse than SUVs is in shockingly bad taste.
SUVs make up more than 40% of new cars sold in the UK – while fully electric vehicles account for less than 2%
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Plastic Paddy
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New strapline?
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hiraethified
Sorry, but I'm having trouble seeing the page now that this fucking huge strawman has just been constructed in the middle of it.
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When I were a lad literally every car on the road was a fiat 126. And elderly relatives were happy for it. Try telling kids that today....
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The only thing I’m taking issue with is you saying that:
"The size, weight and drag of SUVs means they consume more fuel and emit more carbon dioxide than the average car "
is bollocks. It isn’t. It is generally the case. The design of SUVs imposes fundamental physical limits on how efficient they can be. Sure, you can take specific examples, there are rather obviously plenty of low profile very aerodynamic cars that are ludicrously inefficient.
But more broadly, I tend to agree that SUVs are kind of just nicer to be in. Better visibility, more space, easier access. I think that is largely why people chose them. Status may be part of it, but you could say the same about many of the cars that manufacturers are moving away from.
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It’s badly worded, but it’s not that hard to work out what they’re getting at.
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Plastic Paddy
It's very fucking easy to see what they're getting at!
They want to write something bad about SUVs to give all the little armchair eco-warriors stiffies, so they're making blanket statements that are full of shit.
The vast majority of SUVs on UK roads are the likes of RAV4s, Qashquais, XCs, Ecosports, etc. Not Range Rovers and X6's. The OP article is tilting at (all) SUVs, and that IS bollocks.
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Not so good for anyone she hits.
Study Says SUVs Are More Deadly Than Cars When Striking Pedestrians
Their upright, largely horizontal front ends are at issue.www.forbes.com
Hopefully she won’t hit anyone.
Article makes some fair points tho based on American SUV’s which I think may be more chunkier than over here.
A plus point for gf’s SUV is that we are going out for dinner with my parents and two kids later today, so six of us can get into it rather than taking two vehicles - saving on environmental impact and infrastructure.
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I didn't attempt to link mental health issues with anything. My post was prompted by Roadkill attempting to exclude people "actively trying to harm themselves or doing something very stupid" from the causality statistics. Both road and rail deaths involve these things and such deaths shouldn't be treated differently.
Likewise I wasn't trying to "prove that railways are somehow worse than SUVs", simply that if you're genuinely concerned with reducing such deaths then there are for more low-hanging fruit in the area of railway transport than there is in private vehicle shape.
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hiraethified
I really don't think such occasional trips go particularly far in offsetting the overall environmental impact of owning a large SUV, if indeed this trip actually exists.
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Plastic Paddy
Fuck the savings on environmental impact.
It's easier and far more comfortable to own, organise, travel in, and park, a single vehicle than two cars; or piss about with public transport or taxis. If I had a large family and luggage to tote around I wouldn't think twice about getting one.
Sasaferrato
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Electric cars for all, powered by mains electricity, is utter and absolute bollocks.
Firstly, where is the electricity coming from, last Winter we had brown outs.
Secondly, where is all the secure charging infrastructure coming from.
Hydrogen is the way forward.
Firstly, where is the electricity coming from, last Winter we had brown outs.
Secondly, where is all the secure charging infrastructure coming from.
Hydrogen is the way forward.
Sasaferrato
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SUVs have their place, but that isn't Chelsea.
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hiraethified
The world is facing an environmental catastrophe but some people are still arguing for their right to drive around in trendy oversized cars that are clearly making things worse, all because they find it more 'practical' for their personal needs.
The fact that SUV sales are soaring at such a time is fucking depressing.
The fact that SUV sales are soaring at such a time is fucking depressing.
They last forever if looked after - gf’s is 10 yrs old but almost as good as they say she bought it new from the dealership.
It averages about 33mpg but if you put it into sport mode and manually tap up and down the gears - or just leave it till it redlines it drops to about 19mpg - plus you can tow a caravan if that’s your fancy.
Pretty versatile.
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Plastic Paddy
It depends on the SUV and the needs of the individual really. Obviously nobody sensible would advocate a Range Rover for the daily drive from Chelsea to the office in Surrey and back but I can see plenty of reasons why a mum might buy a Qashqai or something similar to tote the pups and pushchairs around. Some people will probably say that they are more harmful to the environment but then everything we do has an impact and we have to decide how we trade things off. For example, using class A drugs or long haul flights is likely to be just as, if not more, environmentally and socially destructive than owning an SUV in London
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Looks like UPS are one of the first to move to full electric delivery vehicles but they are doing less than 300 miles per day.
Cars need to do much more than that imo - at least the same as diesel/petrol and have charging stations everywhere - still doesn’t negate power outages tho.
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Was never a fan, but then came across the RSQ8 by Lumma and have changed my mind. The MPG of around 12-15 is a bit hmm, but even Swampy would clamour to get behind the wheel of this bad boy...
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pesh
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that looks like Max Power were running some kind of fantasy hatchback team back in the 90s and someones accidentally made one.
Athos
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Cars should be priced in a way that disincentivises/allows progressive taxation to offset negative social impacts. That's a matter of emissions, resources used for production, danger to pedestrians, and space consumption etc. It's not really about the style of the car, for which many people have legitimate reasons to choose an SUV (which don't ought to be lumped in as a homogeneous mass - a hybrid RAV4 is quite different from a diesel 1990s Land Rover).
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That's a bit much. In the right circumstances I'd drive an SUV, but that's just silly
Bahnhof Strasse
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They have sensibly upped the BHP from 592 to 700, which of course allows for safer overtaking. Can't put a price on safety
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hiraethified
That is disgusting.
nogojones
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they've put a price on the styling though. Was it designed by a 14year old?They have sensibly upped the BHP from 592 to 700, which of course allows for safer overtaking. Can't put a price on safety
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