pidgeonhead
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flimsier said:
Errm, explain the abuse, moose.
Support the French Rioters!
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Errm, explain the abuse, moose.
montevideo
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revol68 said:
or rather i defend his working class past by not having some runt litter posh kids working in government offices talk about "our class"
In my very humble opinion, "support" "critical support" " unconditional support" whatever, are all formulations that fail to address the idea that most peope are expressing ie that if there are two sides, the rioters and the state, you stand against the state, alongside the rioters. The trouble with 'support' is that you end up into these (fairly futile) arguments about do you support everything that happens.
This is why I prefer the formulation of 'defend', ie, I may not support everything that happens in a riot situation, but I'd defend the rioters against the state (of course, it could be argued that this is an equally useless phrase because it just opens up another argument about what is meant by defence, and how can I actually defend anyone seeing as I'm hundreds of miles away sitting at my computer - damn the english language).
Anyhow, there is more heat than light on this thread, but that's grand because its a chilly day and my office is cold.
This is why I prefer the formulation of 'defend', ie, I may not support everything that happens in a riot situation, but I'd defend the rioters against the state (of course, it could be argued that this is an equally useless phrase because it just opens up another argument about what is meant by defence, and how can I actually defend anyone seeing as I'm hundreds of miles away sitting at my computer - damn the english language).
Anyhow, there is more heat than light on this thread, but that's grand because its a chilly day and my office is cold.
montevideo
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revol68 said:
you're not part of the runt litter tourettes. For you it's online multiplayer gaming & level 97 of doom between packets of cheesy wotsits & wiping up the detritus of self affection with your stale at the drive-in t-shirts.
More heat, apologies.
cats hammers
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montevideo said:
Yea, what a scumbag, he likes music, videogames and food.
montevideo
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jackwupton said:
one of the runt litter bang on cue.
cats hammers
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revol68 said:
...and if you did, what would be the problem?
cats hammers
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montevideo said:
Anarchist Hairdresser >> 'Libertarian Marxist' >> English Anarchist >> Runt Litter
Did I miss anything?
pidgeonhead
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flimsier said:
Don't be telling me what to do, flimsy.
I'll go when it suits me. I'm enjoying myself for now.
My my, touchy today aren't we?
It must be the weather, I don't believe the male menopause would be affecting you just yet.
pidgeonhead
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Or maybe Lock&Light's been teasing you again... bless.
pidgeonhead
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rednblack said:
Actually me and ern haven't been arguing for months now - you can ask him, since you're still in touch.
Ever since I worked out where he works and what he looks like, he's been pretty quiet on that front, besides, he was understandably upset after one of his charges was murdered in cold blood, an awful thing, and I agreed not to wind him up any more and he agreed to do the same.
As for fleeing in tears - not really very likely is it mate?
Certainly not from ern... I used to quite like the old scrote, though if the recent activities toward the editor here really are down to him, I'd suggest he watched his step very carefully... though I rather suspect he's become a convienient nickname certain anarkid cowards can now freely use to anonymously vandalise various little bits of web presence pertaining to Urban75.
Any little coward can sign themselves "ern" and I'm in no position to view and compare IP addresses. Not that I would be bothered to in the slightest.
Though having looked in the bin - it does seem rather pathetic that he keeps trying to crawl back in... still, that's why so many of you wevolutionaries look up to him I guess...
Play nicely now kids!
On this whole thing, I think montevideo repeatedly slagging me off for having a job (I bet your "precarity" meetings are fun) is pretty indicative of the whole reason I posted on this thread, in the way that I have.
What anarchist "movement" or subcultural scene as there is has retreated up its own arse so far it is just incapable of communicating with anyone outside of it. From producing ridiculous over-militant and self-referential propaganda, complete with rioters, fire, stones, balaclavas, made-up jargon, stupid in-jokes to general hysterical proclamations on the internet.
Would people on this thread talk to non-politicos in the way they have on here? I mean the CW articles would appear to be for the general public, but if you were just talking to someone would you start off saying "I support the riots totally, this is class war" without giving some kind of explanation about the background, etc.? It's just all ridiculously alienating - particularly for the majority of the non-banlieu French working class - who also have real concerns. My housemate who's a french leftie, of communist parents is mostly worried about this because of the massive right-wing backlash it's going to provoke. Seeing people burning cars might make some wannabe Baader-Meinhoffs cream their shorts but this isn't a stupid game - especially in a country where the far right gets nearly 20% of the vote.
Most of the anarchists are so divorced from reality if it wasn't so tragic would be fucking hilarious. Well, it is still pretty funny anyway...
And why the hell isn't everyone just ignoring pigeonhead?
What anarchist "movement" or subcultural scene as there is has retreated up its own arse so far it is just incapable of communicating with anyone outside of it. From producing ridiculous over-militant and self-referential propaganda, complete with rioters, fire, stones, balaclavas, made-up jargon, stupid in-jokes to general hysterical proclamations on the internet.
Would people on this thread talk to non-politicos in the way they have on here? I mean the CW articles would appear to be for the general public, but if you were just talking to someone would you start off saying "I support the riots totally, this is class war" without giving some kind of explanation about the background, etc.? It's just all ridiculously alienating - particularly for the majority of the non-banlieu French working class - who also have real concerns. My housemate who's a french leftie, of communist parents is mostly worried about this because of the massive right-wing backlash it's going to provoke. Seeing people burning cars might make some wannabe Baader-Meinhoffs cream their shorts but this isn't a stupid game - especially in a country where the far right gets nearly 20% of the vote.
Most of the anarchists are so divorced from reality if it wasn't so tragic would be fucking hilarious. Well, it is still pretty funny anyway...
And why the hell isn't everyone just ignoring pigeonhead?
pidgeonhead
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icepick said:
We agree wholeheartedly on something.
You wouldn't want me to thcweam and thcweam and thcweam until I was sick now would you?
pidgeonhead
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(actually, I do agree with Icepick's points, all of them, but don't let's ruin the fun by actually engaging in a debate!!)
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
cos theres no wink or nowt i'm going to assume that that was serious.montevideo said:
I like you montey, but you are now on ignore - offline as well.
How can you be so out of line?
montevideo
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Taxamo Welf said:
fair enough. He's a scab by his own admission.
lostexpectation
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real workers?
somebody said something about them not being real working class?? whatever working class means, but would it be wrong to describe "them" as underclass?
firsthand reports, firsthand reports theres gotta be some first hand reports somewhere?
somebody said something about them not being real working class?? whatever working class means, but would it be wrong to describe "them" as underclass?
firsthand reports, firsthand reports theres gotta be some first hand reports somewhere?
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
So what? Completely off topic. If anything you've shown revol's dad to be more principled than your own - why that should have any releance i don't know. I highly suspect that you treat these discussions as a load of bollocks, having decided already that you know best you just want to cause as much disruption as possible.montevideo said:
Bye.
pidgeonhead
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Taxamo Welf said:
Not going to have much to read at this rate, eh muppetboy?
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