Stupid, stupid fuckers.
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tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
at some of those settler videos!!
the shocking thing is that these people are so young, what the fuck are they thinking?? who teaches them to do this - what the fuck is their problem?
Tel Rumeida
It is very depressing to watch.
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frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
i saw those tel rumeida videos ...
what the fuck are the settlers thinking? like what possesses them to behave like that? And its not just one or two of them, its all of them!! are any of them normal?
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
i saw those tel rumeida videos ...
what the fuck are the settlers thinking? like what possesses them to behave like that? And its not just one or two of them, its all of them!! are any of them normal?
they are reacist right wing supremacists who do not consider anyone but their own to be leigitmate people.
Think Jewish KKK.
Nino: Please let me know how Israeli-Arabs are subjected to racism? If you trot out my general complaint involving our pilot program in the IAF, you must also then acknowledge that they additionaly have an added right that we Jewish Israelis lack, the right to never serve in the army unless they voluntarily enlist, and this was due to their lobbying (continued by the way).
See, in Israel you do not get paid in the army as you do in your country. You get about 60 US now, the day you are nducted, and a phone card, WOW! We serve for HONOUR.
If you claim their towns are lagging in infrastructure know that infrastructure is directly related to municipal tax bases back home and they often have unregistered villages that pay how much tax? ZERO.
If you claim they lag educationally, that is ther choice. The mandatory age for education is universal.
Economically? Go to school longer, it IS subsidised after all.
Let me know.
See, in Israel you do not get paid in the army as you do in your country. You get about 60 US now, the day you are nducted, and a phone card, WOW! We serve for HONOUR.
If you claim their towns are lagging in infrastructure know that infrastructure is directly related to municipal tax bases back home and they often have unregistered villages that pay how much tax? ZERO.
If you claim they lag educationally, that is ther choice. The mandatory age for education is universal.
Economically? Go to school longer, it IS subsidised after all.
Let me know.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
why is it that more kids kill themselves then every year than have been killed in the entire conflict ...
you serve cos you are consripted...
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
First of all you need to separate jews from zionists because zionism is not a integral part of the jewish religion, the idealogy of the self proclaimed jewish leaders of settlements in israel is basically tht of the "Jewish Christian Identity", the settler idea of land being "redeemed" when it belongs to a jew as oppose to a gentile or the idea of jewish lives being of more value than that of a gentile has no basis in scripture and never did, but unfortunately unlike Christian Identity which is marginalised even in the US this version of Judaism has gained a lot of acceptance, whereas before it was regarded as wrong, people are more willing to excuse it if not actually believe in it.
but i'd say the reason most people in the jewish community support zionism and some are doing so increasingly stridently is the fact that in the last few years following 9/11 (and probably way, way before then) there has been an increase in anti-israeli sentiment and unfortunately that translates into anti-semitism for a small minority of people. people dont get the full picture of what happens in Israel either. I mean I didnt know it was that bad until very recently, I was vaguely aware that some bad stuff went on there but the thing is that a lot of people think israeli atrocities are propaganda. it isn't some sort of holocaust denial type stuff in their case, and many of them are perfectly willing to admit that israel has done some bad things, but a lot of the worst stuff is portrayed as being propaganda which didn't happen, and people don't look deeper into it.
a lot of the time they dont WANT to either. its easier just to ignore it. but if we (the jewish community) continue to do so we will pay the price for our complicity in an evil disgusting regime and we have already paid the price morally and spiritualy.
A lot of people also assume that it is anti-semitism, that worse things go on in the world which are ignored by the media, and the focus on Israel is disproportionate, and also feel uncomfortable with all the references to Jews, "Jewish settlers", etc, in connection to Israel. To be fair to them they have a bit of a point when you compare the coverage of Israel/Palestine to that of other places where human rights abuses take place like Burma, etc, but the problem is that the media coverage of the Palestinians doesn't amount to anything, everyone knows what goes on there and has done for years and yet nothing is done about it. People go out there and people report endlessly on the plight of Palestinians but what is done, i mean really?
A lot of the stuff about the zionist lobby having a disproportionate influence on American foreign policy could be construed as anti-semitic and it is portrayed by the supporters of Israel as representing the idea of a "jewish conspiracy" even though a sizeable proportion of these people aren't jewish, and the people who rule america aren't jewish, they just HAPPEN to need israel, or think they need it, as a US ally in the region, although it is becoming increasingly recognised that the special relationship with Israel will have to change very soon. unfortunately real anti-semites are only too willing to sieze upon this as proof of an all consuming Jewish conspiracy controlling the world, and some of the ways in which this is talked about have been a bit inflammatory (the new statesman cover with the star of david being one example i can think of). i've seen stuff on demos with swastikas inside stars of david saying "smash zionism", and i've been very offended by it and it has put me off.
a lot of the time people support israel because of these reasons, and also because they feel threatened. there's a feeling that you can't criticise Israel in front of non-jews in case you put the community in danger or in case it promotes anti-semitism or the destruction of the state of Israel, which many people will have family connections to. A lot of jews would speak out a lot more if it was recognised that Israels actions are not defensible on that basis any longer.
i think that for anything to succeed it has to be recognised that the majority of jews are somewhat sympathetic to israel and a big part of what people should be concentrating on is on education and persuading people that being anti-zionist or even being opposed to Israels policies does not mean you're anti-semitic as sometimes people who have the best intentions regarding this issue do not do themselves many favours ...
Garfield: Why does Israel have the lowest number of Objectors per capita than any other natiuon on Earth?
Suiciide comes from many reasons, much of it MIGHT be sue to hatred and danger they face?
Suiciide comes from many reasons, much of it MIGHT be sue to hatred and danger they face?
"Serve because conscripted.": Um, check our Reserve Service compliance numbers please, as well as the fact that in any conflict we fly home, immediately as I did in July 06 often at our own expence. Your rationilisation is not correct.
Frogwoman: "Land redeemed.": You misunderstand the idea. It is redeemed because it was promised, not because it was "saved" as you imply/think. You get a rain check from Harrod's, you redeem it. Presenting it does not offer you salvation, it merely fufills a deal.
"Zionism because of 9/11,etc...": Zionism has been with the Jews since the First Exile, 3000 odd years. Our prayers face Jeruysalem from any part of the world, we pray for our return to Israel everyday. It is ingrained in our faith.
As for the modern political ideological Zionism, it peaked pre-WWII.
"Special relationship with Israel will have to change soon.": It ha already changed and never really existed. It began with a bribe by JFK for our "Compliance" to nuke inspections, but did not represent any sort of positive relationship until literally hurs prior to the 67 War when LBJ was advised that the Soviet backed Arabs would probably take the game and thus dominate the region.
Up until then, side from the Kennedy bribe, we got nothing but apathy at best and were in fact vehemently opposed by pre LBJ Administrations.
With the Reagan Era things warmed up a tad bit but I am a vet of the First Lebanese War and I came into Active Service just months after our patrols defeated US Marines in sporadic firefights around Beirut so do not hold any illusiuons, if you do.
We are not their friend, nor are they ours. Bush has his own religious reasons for kissing our a%$, and Iraq and warming Syria/Iran Dynamics have promopted sweetheart deals like the Iraqi oil pipeline...and our little known presence as Advisors and Observers there...but just 2 years ago the phasing out of US AId was mediated, only to reverse with the fortunes of the Iraqi War. The relationship will end sooner rather than later.
"Zionism because of 9/11,etc...": Zionism has been with the Jews since the First Exile, 3000 odd years. Our prayers face Jeruysalem from any part of the world, we pray for our return to Israel everyday. It is ingrained in our faith.
As for the modern political ideological Zionism, it peaked pre-WWII.
"Special relationship with Israel will have to change soon.": It ha already changed and never really existed. It began with a bribe by JFK for our "Compliance" to nuke inspections, but did not represent any sort of positive relationship until literally hurs prior to the 67 War when LBJ was advised that the Soviet backed Arabs would probably take the game and thus dominate the region.
Up until then, side from the Kennedy bribe, we got nothing but apathy at best and were in fact vehemently opposed by pre LBJ Administrations.
With the Reagan Era things warmed up a tad bit but I am a vet of the First Lebanese War and I came into Active Service just months after our patrols defeated US Marines in sporadic firefights around Beirut so do not hold any illusiuons, if you do.
We are not their friend, nor are they ours. Bush has his own religious reasons for kissing our a%$, and Iraq and warming Syria/Iran Dynamics have promopted sweetheart deals like the Iraqi oil pipeline...and our little known presence as Advisors and Observers there...but just 2 years ago the phasing out of US AId was mediated, only to reverse with the fortunes of the Iraqi War. The relationship will end sooner rather than later.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
it might not be but it's what some people think. admittedly not everyone - what i said is that that kind of view is becoming more acceptable, even if most people continue not to believe it.
yeah but the "zionism" which is in the jewish religion, about one day returning to the homeland, etc, which is what probably most people in the UK who support israel consider it to mean, because they, like i did, have a romanticised view of the state of israel and the image it portrays of itself, has nothing to do with the actual ideology of the israeli state, which is what most people understand to mean by "zionism". i agree it was perhaps the wrong word to use but it's what most people understand zionism to be.
and i agree about the US and Israel btw ... the US government doesnt give a shit about Israel or any country, and for all the power of the zionist lobby it will ditch them as soon as they're starting to look more of a liability than a strategic asset, which could take some time, but it will happen, perhaps sooner than we expect... however you have got to say that israel gets a disproportionate amount of aid from the usa, the most of any country in the world, which surely qualifies it as having a special relationship with the states?
i'm aware that the US has never consistently stuck by israel the way that the more hysterical conspiracy theorists say it has ... but it has nonetheless poured billions of dollars into the country, with little regard to how the money is spent.
im not anti-semitic and im not stupid enough to think that it's because the zionists are controlling the US purse strings ... the US itself has an agenda, like with syria and iran as you mentioned...
yeah but the "zionism" which is in the jewish religion, about one day returning to the homeland, etc, which is what probably most people in the UK who support israel consider it to mean, because they, like i did, have a romanticised view of the state of israel and the image it portrays of itself, has nothing to do with the actual ideology of the israeli state, which is what most people understand to mean by "zionism". i agree it was perhaps the wrong word to use but it's what most people understand zionism to be.
and i agree about the US and Israel btw ... the US government doesnt give a shit about Israel or any country, and for all the power of the zionist lobby it will ditch them as soon as they're starting to look more of a liability than a strategic asset, which could take some time, but it will happen, perhaps sooner than we expect... however you have got to say that israel gets a disproportionate amount of aid from the usa, the most of any country in the world, which surely qualifies it as having a special relationship with the states?
i'm aware that the US has never consistently stuck by israel the way that the more hysterical conspiracy theorists say it has ... but it has nonetheless poured billions of dollars into the country, with little regard to how the money is spent.
im not anti-semitic and im not stupid enough to think that it's because the zionists are controlling the US purse strings ... the US itself has an agenda, like with syria and iran as you mentioned...
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
btw up to very recently i was pretty sympathetic to israel ... i still am to an extent. but after what they did in gaza i can feel i can no longer support or apologise for a country which has such terrible policies and such an appalling human rights record. i know there's wrong and right on both sides but it is clear that israel has the predominant military power and for some reason it gets away with it all the time.
it sickens me that we appear to be turning into the perpertrators, after two thousand years of being hunted down and killed for our beliefs, and it sickens me that people are willing to apologise for israel whatever it does. that's why i'm probably being quite harsh in my assessments of Israel, probably a bit too harsh. i'm disgusted, i seriously want israel to be a country worthy of being called the jewish homeland, i want it to be a country that i can be proud of. i'd love to be able to go there on something like birthright and feel good about it, because i do feel that it is a very important part of the jewish faith. but it is behaving in a terrible way, and bringing disgrace and shame to jews around the world. this isn't what we had to endure thousands of years of persecution for, just to do the same to someone else, abandoning our religion in favour of extreme blood and soil nationalism.
it sickens me that we appear to be turning into the perpertrators, after two thousand years of being hunted down and killed for our beliefs, and it sickens me that people are willing to apologise for israel whatever it does. that's why i'm probably being quite harsh in my assessments of Israel, probably a bit too harsh. i'm disgusted, i seriously want israel to be a country worthy of being called the jewish homeland, i want it to be a country that i can be proud of. i'd love to be able to go there on something like birthright and feel good about it, because i do feel that it is a very important part of the jewish faith. but it is behaving in a terrible way, and bringing disgrace and shame to jews around the world. this isn't what we had to endure thousands of years of persecution for, just to do the same to someone else, abandoning our religion in favour of extreme blood and soil nationalism.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
well two reasons one becuase you can object which would ruin your career prospects after conscription.
What unit did you serve in being a common job interview question.
and of course one of the highest rates of sectioning young adults/teens in the world, as the other way to get round it is to declare yourself insane, and therefore unfit to serve. All of which doesn't show on your record as having objected.
you are being very dishonest in your reasoning and explainantion here.
or rather so infantesamally close focused which ignores the real figures of objectors.
Perhaps a better precentile would be to look at how many women serve in the OT or Gazain boarders both of which are optional duites for women, who would otherwise serve inside of Israel propper.
but again those not taking the option to serve in the OT or Gazain boarder again aren't shown as objectors...
so please, don't play fast and lose with your claims. Which ultimaltly is shown up instantly for the lies they are.
oh and this enguagement polcy with me currently you have, whilst i have your attention you are still to post up evidence that ISM doctored Photos ...
when you're ready...
Frogwoman: "More acceptable.": Not among Jews because it is part of our very basic theology.
"Gaza.": Sorry, but you are talking about a land that was actually Jewish until 250 years ago, now has not one Jews because of HAMAS' not allowing a single one in peacebly.
Now it is 100% Arab, and was ceded COMPLETELY in 2005, the only continued presence was for 3 odd months due to the need for protection of two pro-Israeli Bedua encampments near Rafah that were under direct attack by "Palestinians" who tried to annihilate them until they were finally evacuated by Israel, ending any permanant IDF ensconcement.
Ergo, they had the state, if they chose, that they claimed to have been fighting for. The day the last "Setttler" was being evacuated? A PIJ "Suicide Bombing" attempt aimed at us was foiled.
Since that day? Averages point to at least 5 Qassams per day,. and as most know the number is often 10 times that. More than 22 Israeli citizens were killed by these, as well as 11 foreigners (mostly Guestworkers from several nations).
Infiltrations take place, lest we forget the one Israeli Armoured soldier who is still missing having been kidnapped by Gazans who tunneled into Israel.
They continue to attempt "Suicide Ops," even using Humanitarian Cases that have been given free life saving medical care, and so on.
You blame Israel for taking proactive operations? Would you sit still for 3 years in your nation as a neighbouring territory lobbed ordnance up to 122 mm large into your home, business, and property?
"Apalling Human Rights record.": Sorry, but you have it wrong. Israel is rated #1 in that area for the entire Middle East and has been since the rating system began.
"Abandoning our religion in favour of nationalism.": We were a People long before we adopted ethical monotheism. We are genetically connected much closer than most any other ethnic group despite being spread over the face of the Earth so nationalism is part and parcel of both our culture and our religion and in fact our faith spells this out quite clearly.
"Gaza.": Sorry, but you are talking about a land that was actually Jewish until 250 years ago, now has not one Jews because of HAMAS' not allowing a single one in peacebly.
Now it is 100% Arab, and was ceded COMPLETELY in 2005, the only continued presence was for 3 odd months due to the need for protection of two pro-Israeli Bedua encampments near Rafah that were under direct attack by "Palestinians" who tried to annihilate them until they were finally evacuated by Israel, ending any permanant IDF ensconcement.
Ergo, they had the state, if they chose, that they claimed to have been fighting for. The day the last "Setttler" was being evacuated? A PIJ "Suicide Bombing" attempt aimed at us was foiled.
Since that day? Averages point to at least 5 Qassams per day,. and as most know the number is often 10 times that. More than 22 Israeli citizens were killed by these, as well as 11 foreigners (mostly Guestworkers from several nations).
Infiltrations take place, lest we forget the one Israeli Armoured soldier who is still missing having been kidnapped by Gazans who tunneled into Israel.
They continue to attempt "Suicide Ops," even using Humanitarian Cases that have been given free life saving medical care, and so on.
You blame Israel for taking proactive operations? Would you sit still for 3 years in your nation as a neighbouring territory lobbed ordnance up to 122 mm large into your home, business, and property?
"Apalling Human Rights record.": Sorry, but you have it wrong. Israel is rated #1 in that area for the entire Middle East and has been since the rating system began.
"Abandoning our religion in favour of nationalism.": We were a People long before we adopted ethical monotheism. We are genetically connected much closer than most any other ethnic group despite being spread over the face of the Earth so nationalism is part and parcel of both our culture and our religion and in fact our faith spells this out quite clearly.
Spion
I hear ya
Gaza is a giant ghetto and its inmates are the people your forefathers drove out of their homes in '48
"the Gaza Strip is now, in the twisted perception of the
Israelis, the ward where the "most dangerous inmates" are kept. The
West Bank , on the other hand, is still run as a huge complex of open
air prisons in the form of normal human habitations such as a village
or a town interconnected and supervised by a prison authority of
immense military and violent power"
http://www.ilanpappe.org/Articles/Mega Prison of Gaza.html
"the Gaza Strip is now, in the twisted perception of the
Israelis, the ward where the "most dangerous inmates" are kept. The
West Bank , on the other hand, is still run as a huge complex of open
air prisons in the form of normal human habitations such as a village
or a town interconnected and supervised by a prison authority of
immense military and violent power"
http://www.ilanpappe.org/Articles/Mega Prison of Gaza.html
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
no indeed it's amazing that palestine done'st take mush further reaching action considering this is precisely what is happening...
now about that evidence ...
Garfield: You are correct that one's military record is essential for a prosperous life within the nation but you neglect a huge aspect. Israelis are allowed to travel the world quite freely, even leaving before they have to serve, and after if Objecting, and yet they still do not.
See, you claim to be a person who explored both sides and having been in my nation and yet you are unaware of how males begin training for spots in elite squads. Do you know what a G'bush is?
"How many women serve in "WB" or Gaza?" Well none serves in Gazas but if you mean the border, of course some serve. It is admittedly much easier to avoid Service if you are a female but I am not sure what point you are trying to raise.
See, you claim to be a person who explored both sides and having been in my nation and yet you are unaware of how males begin training for spots in elite squads. Do you know what a G'bush is?
"How many women serve in "WB" or Gaza?" Well none serves in Gazas but if you mean the border, of course some serve. It is admittedly much easier to avoid Service if you are a female but I am not sure what point you are trying to raise.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
except that they are then not welcome in many in hostels aroudn the world due to the adventures the lads hand their squds have after coming out... all of which no doubt you'd claim is judeophobic again... and they still have to serve when they return again you are being economical with the truth to the point that it's a lie by deliberate ommission...
This really won't do.
you have squentially said these things didn't happen then they might have happen to you don't have any exeprince of it to your experince isn't vaild to you're a bigot to this shite...
stop wriggling and post up the evidnece you claim and have stated has been proved and is all over the internet that ISM doctored the photographs of rachels death.
no of this smoke screen is changing a single fact you are being knocked from left to right up and down in terms of crediblity only a badger after being baited looks in a more sorry state than your credibility...
If you point of view were an intestinal/bowel movement then at the moment it'd be the water weak dioreha of the 3rd day of the noro virus...
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
here here.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
once again the scurring away tail between their legs without any apology explaination or to retract their lies...
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
i don't think it is about Israels survival any more. maybe once it was but i don't think it is any more. It is obvious the palestinians aren't any threat to Israel, theyre not gonna drive Israel in the sea. Israel's "security" is just an excuse tbh. I think they do want to get rid of the palestinians, not by genocide but by forcing them to leave by making things get as bad as they can get, and by completely subjugating them and eliminating their culture. Similar to what China's govt wnat to do in Tibet really.
Its always been more threatening to their government when the PLO was non violent instead of violent, and when that's happened they've always done the best they have done to reverse this "worrying" situation. because the demand for one man one vote and for Palestinians having equal rights within Israel itself, by peaceful means, would effectively mean the end of Israels regime.
Serbia in 1999 also said that what it was doing was defending it's self against terrorism by the Albanians, as an excuse for killing them in order to create a "Greater Serbia", and yeah there were retaliatory attacks but nowhere near on the level of their army's response, but they were not taken the slightest bit seriously by anyone when they tried to use this as an excuse for what they did, so why should we take Israel seriously when it tries to use the issue of terrorism as an excuse for what it does, which has been going on a lot longer, 60 years as opposed to like 10, and what in many ways is a lot worse than what Serbia did, I dont seem to remember them forcing 1.5 million people to live in an area about the size of a english town like Wycombe, demolishing houses in case people have supposedly built none existent "tunnels" underneath them, doing stuff like forcing families to live upstairs in their own home while their soldiers watch television, and attacking them constantly with state of the art weapons.
That excuse worked a long time ago, like in 1967 when the armies were a lot more evenly matched, but now? no arab country, or even arab countries put together, are able to pose a credible military challenge to Israel, if the tried invading again Israel would wipe the floor with them. It aint gonna happen, there is no way that Israel's survival is threatened and if it was seriously in danger then the US would step in, not because they give a shit about Israel, they dont, but it is extremely strategically important and even more so due to the fact that trouble is brewing among their other middle eastern allies, whose people are tired of their governments licking america's arse, and now that theyve completely fucked up Iraq.
the civilians in sderot etc, awful though it is for them, are just being used as a justification for Israels policies, by saying, oh look we're under attack and need to defend ourselves. Im not saying that there are no terrorist attacks and it isnt a threat but the Israeli government uses the terrorism for its own purposes. Even though the majority of them have actually said that Israel needs to talk to Hamas.
Sorry but the terrorism thing doesnt work as an excuse, there is no comparable threat posed to israel to the one it poses to palestine ..
Its always been more threatening to their government when the PLO was non violent instead of violent, and when that's happened they've always done the best they have done to reverse this "worrying" situation. because the demand for one man one vote and for Palestinians having equal rights within Israel itself, by peaceful means, would effectively mean the end of Israels regime.
Serbia in 1999 also said that what it was doing was defending it's self against terrorism by the Albanians, as an excuse for killing them in order to create a "Greater Serbia", and yeah there were retaliatory attacks but nowhere near on the level of their army's response, but they were not taken the slightest bit seriously by anyone when they tried to use this as an excuse for what they did, so why should we take Israel seriously when it tries to use the issue of terrorism as an excuse for what it does, which has been going on a lot longer, 60 years as opposed to like 10, and what in many ways is a lot worse than what Serbia did, I dont seem to remember them forcing 1.5 million people to live in an area about the size of a english town like Wycombe, demolishing houses in case people have supposedly built none existent "tunnels" underneath them, doing stuff like forcing families to live upstairs in their own home while their soldiers watch television, and attacking them constantly with state of the art weapons.
That excuse worked a long time ago, like in 1967 when the armies were a lot more evenly matched, but now? no arab country, or even arab countries put together, are able to pose a credible military challenge to Israel, if the tried invading again Israel would wipe the floor with them. It aint gonna happen, there is no way that Israel's survival is threatened and if it was seriously in danger then the US would step in, not because they give a shit about Israel, they dont, but it is extremely strategically important and even more so due to the fact that trouble is brewing among their other middle eastern allies, whose people are tired of their governments licking america's arse, and now that theyve completely fucked up Iraq.
the civilians in sderot etc, awful though it is for them, are just being used as a justification for Israels policies, by saying, oh look we're under attack and need to defend ourselves. Im not saying that there are no terrorist attacks and it isnt a threat but the Israeli government uses the terrorism for its own purposes. Even though the majority of them have actually said that Israel needs to talk to Hamas.
Sorry but the terrorism thing doesnt work as an excuse, there is no comparable threat posed to israel to the one it poses to palestine ..
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Kind of depends what comprises the "122mm ordnance", doesn't it.
I wouldn't like 122mm HE or frag artillery rounds being shot at me, or even proper mortar rounds, but the home-made stuff, well, it doesn't have anywhere near the same potential lethality as the above.
Spion
I hear ya
If I'd driven them from their homes and forced them to live in a ghetto I'd fully expect it to happen
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
until Israel erradciates all military influence from it's poltical system there will never be peace.
eveyr time it's looked close to peace the military has realised their funding would be cut and they kick up cause a storm and escalate their action again to prevent anything from ever challenging their dominence.
eveyr time it's looked close to peace the military has realised their funding would be cut and they kick up cause a storm and escalate their action again to prevent anything from ever challenging their dominence.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
And yet. Look at Northern Ireland ten years ago. Who would ever have believed the taigs and the prods could ever sort out their religious and terrortorial disputes? The same people killing each other. Stupid really.
Garfield: 'Not welcome in hostels.": You are talking about 2 issues.
After one's 3 year Service, males usualy go on Walk About in parts of Asia. It is the time before teh Servicve and University. In Reserve we may wear our hair as we wear it in our regular lives but in Service we are straight up military and this time befoire university is seen as time to let loose.
Service for most, meaning anyone with an 03 Rating or above is very presure filled and we live in one of the most combat prone societies on the planet. Naturally SOME want to party.
Unweclome? I have never seeen it, not once. We usually go to northern India or Goa, Nepal, Thailnd is second, and then we are often in Cambodia and Laos which is how I myself established inteests there.
In fact we have favoured status in alot of those places being one of the few nationalities not having to have visas for Laos, etc.
Objectors or Shirkers do not as a rule go to these parts of the world but to places where they might persue careers or educations away from their obligatory Service.
As for the rest of that post, it is the usual ad hom nonsense and as said, I will begin to ignore you as I do other such people. I would rather continue civlised discussions but the option is yours.
After one's 3 year Service, males usualy go on Walk About in parts of Asia. It is the time before teh Servicve and University. In Reserve we may wear our hair as we wear it in our regular lives but in Service we are straight up military and this time befoire university is seen as time to let loose.
Service for most, meaning anyone with an 03 Rating or above is very presure filled and we live in one of the most combat prone societies on the planet. Naturally SOME want to party.
Unweclome? I have never seeen it, not once. We usually go to northern India or Goa, Nepal, Thailnd is second, and then we are often in Cambodia and Laos which is how I myself established inteests there.
In fact we have favoured status in alot of those places being one of the few nationalities not having to have visas for Laos, etc.
Objectors or Shirkers do not as a rule go to these parts of the world but to places where they might persue careers or educations away from their obligatory Service.
As for the rest of that post, it is the usual ad hom nonsense and as said, I will begin to ignore you as I do other such people. I would rather continue civlised discussions but the option is yours.
Frgwoman: First, we do not steal lands nor do we engage in Apartheid. As Jews, we are Semites as are "Palestinians.": Aside from being "Palestinian," they are Arab and we Israelis have more than 2.2 million of them with full citizenship. They have every right other Israelis have , with an additional one since they have insisted on not being mandatorily indulcted into the military. Thi is a right we Jewish, Druse, and Circassian Israelis do not have.
Secondly, I suggest you study the faiuth a bit more. Last weeks parsha? Amalek. Know the parsha? Study it, then let me know "what we Jews do."
Secondly, I suggest you study the faiuth a bit more. Last weeks parsha? Amalek. Know the parsha? Study it, then let me know "what we Jews do."
Spion: "Ghetto.": No, it is only ALL Arab because HAMAS Charter and municipal ordinances passed since 05 forbid a single Israeli from living there, and the HAMAS Charter makes it lethal for any Jew to do so. We would love to have the opportunity to live on ancestral land, as we provide the opposrtnity for more than 2 million Arabs to live on our land as full and equal citizens.
"Drove out in 48....": Wrong. The first Arabs began OCCUPYING our land when they migrated under expanding Egyptian power under Ali Pasha in the 1830s. Egypt then formally annexed this lanbd after illegaly sizeing it in the 48 War (it was under UN Mediation) and held it until the 67 War when they refused to take it back due to expanding anti-Egyptian terrprism in the area.
As for your "source," should we debate his career again? did not we ave an entire thread devoted to his formal and public games?
"Drove out in 48....": Wrong. The first Arabs began OCCUPYING our land when they migrated under expanding Egyptian power under Ali Pasha in the 1830s. Egypt then formally annexed this lanbd after illegaly sizeing it in the 48 War (it was under UN Mediation) and held it until the 67 War when they refused to take it back due to expanding anti-Egyptian terrprism in the area.
As for your "source," should we debate his career again? did not we ave an entire thread devoted to his formal and public games?
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