Soloqi: Not to be overly argumentive, but no. no government anywhere has ruled that the Barrier is illegal. To date, only a Biref was filed at the Hague and that is as meaningful as a UN General Assembly Resolution.
Who ever said all "Palestinians" (many more than 1.5 million live in Gaza alone)? In fact, I said the direct opposite when speaking about irrate "Palestinian" farmers complaining aboiut waits of up to an hour to cross the Barrier.
The vast majority do not belong to militant groups but they DO support their actions. Those who do not support the actions of militants are far and few between and too terrified to speak out. Although it has not happened in a couple of years the standard pun ishment for someone who went against the grain in both Gaza and "WB" were "Rubber Necklaces."
"Damn lies...": Sorry, but perhaps you could be more specific as to what you see as a lie? The statistic I quoted? That is old news. The percentages only climb.
"Nazi style Checkpoints.": First, to use the word Nazi and Israel/Israeli in the same sentence is reprehensible, not to mention ridiculous. Checkpoints are Nazi like? If only that were the case.
How about, Israel gassed some? Tatooed some? Shaved their heads and gassed them? Wrenched gold teeth out of their mouths? I can go on and on with this.
I want to also bring to your attention that those Checkpoints save lives...and the fact that the PA operates many more Checkpoints than Israel EVER has, and much less efficiently. The avergae wait at an IDF Checkpoint (not a Border xing) is 20 minutes. PA Point? Almost 2 hours. Do you consider the PA to be "Nazi like?"
"Deteriorating conditions in the 'Territories...." Um, only Gaza. The direct opposite applies in the so called "WB."
As for Gaza, again, they made their bed. Israel hands you the keys to the land you claim to live and die for, leaves millions {US} in propert and infrastructure (can anyone not recall the 2.2 billion (US) Greenhouse Industry that they then destroyed, totally, within 10 days of taking control?
The Qassams fired daily?
Better yet, the fact that under International AND PA Law HAMAS is an illegal entity?
"Left over from the British and the Mandate...": They were offered a state, with more and better land mind you, that the Zionists were. Of course they refused under the pretence that they wanted all or nothing. You ask for one or the other and you get something....NOTHING.
In 48 when the Mandate officially ended (not 47 as some posit), Trans-Jordan, a state illegaly created out of 70% of the offered "Palestinian" state, grabbed the entire "WB."
In Gaza Egypt did the same.
In 67 they made war with Israel and lost. Both then renounced claims to those lands. Since no Arab Nation has ever existed in those lands it was left to Israel to administer them.
Do you know the very first thing Israel did? Before erecting fences,etc.? It weent to every single village and dug potable wells for the populace. In its initial act is did more for those Arabs than all their Arab "brother put together.
From the beginning Israel was villified. How could it administer these lands when the population rejected their administration? Because under International Law it was relegated to them.To abandon the lands would be remiss and unhumitarian.
Since 67 Israel has time and again offered them statehood, again something they had been offered since 1919 and just as they did in 1919, they rejected it out of hand.
Using S. Africa in an analogy with Israel makes no sense . Apartheid is based on the interpretation of the Christian religion and is race based. In case you are unaware, both Jew and Arab not only belong to the same race, caucasian, but sub race, Semite.
To take it further, how many Arab Israelis are there? 2.2 million and they hold equal rights. How many Jews can even walk down a street in Gaza, not to mention being barred from even entering 7 nations (Jews as well as Israelis in this case).
I was not aware that S. Africa had a security Barrier. Perhaps you might point me in the right direction in trying to find out about it.
"Made out of concrete and razor wire....": Have you ever been there to see it? I ask because less than 26% consists of any concrete, and almost NO razor wire exists. Most of it is simply chainlink fencing as one might see in a Western playground.
"Interesting to know that no Jewish communities exist in 'Palestine'.": You mean Gaza and that is because HAMAS has primed Jewws for extermination. As far as the so called "WB," many Jewish communities exist there.
"Israel is responsbile for more civilain deaths than 'Palestinians'.": How do they come to these figures when militants wear no uniforms? Granted, militant groups soemtimes admit the deceased's membership but that is rare.
A bullet kills an innocent "PAlestinian." How do we know Israel did it? Where is the forensics? The INDEPENDANT 3rd part account? In talking of the most CCTV innundated area in the workd, where is the film? The ammo to measure caliber and grain content,etc., etc., etc.
"Qu'ran.": My first language is Arabic and I have read the Qu'ran quite a bit. Suras such as #4 are not allegorical. They are quite literal. I would like to see it explained as allwgorical.
If your point instead is that the Suras relating to Jew-hating are allegorical. Again, I would love to see that explained.
Muslims try and defend it by saying, "See!? The Prophet had a Jewish wife! He could not have hated Jews.": And then we see how he took her after great warfare...in other words she was property, nothing more and nothing less.
What do the Jewish prophets have to do with Islam. Of course Islam accepts them as they do Issa but that is because they believe that even Abraham was a Muslim. Whom they accept and do not accept is of no bearing. It is their attitude and action(s) that count.
"People of the Book.": And that is because Muhammed, in his illiteracy saw both faiths as different facets of the same religion. In the beginning he he prayed towards Jerusalem, until he was rejected by the Jews.
"Goi to a mosque and ask about Bukhari.": Again, I think in Arabic and have had more debates than I can count over all aspects of the faith including theologians like Bukhari.
"Current mainstream media.": That is nonsense (no offence). There are, for people who have the internet or even simply cable tv, enough choices.
