shit MANarchists say
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frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
It's my "more than a handwave" response (once I'd stopped being annoyed) to you going on about bloody cyborgs.Not sure what this means.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
My favourite is non-otherkin privilege, the unfair privilege inherent in not thinking you're an elf.
(Seriously. Google it).
(Seriously. Google it).
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
You obviously haven't been paying attention to what happens on the veggie threads on urban
8ball
Testicle Menace
You lost me at the first *handwave* tbh.
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
The working class/middle class thing about who should be doing what kind of politics interests me.
It's quite often the case, that just because someone happens to be middle class and they want to be involved in some sort of politics, they are automatically bad, clearly don't have a clue what they're on about, and are part of the problem. Sure, lots of middle class people 'do politics wrong' but there are plenty of working class people who 'do politics wrong' too. You're not automatically better at sorting out what the best way to go about something is or what the most important issues are just because you're working class. Both groups (insofar as they are 'groups' at all) inhabit a specific set of circumstances that helps shape how they see the world, both are a part of the system, both have a stake in it, and just because one gets a rawer deal than the other (economically, and we can argue the toss in terms of other things re: 'identity politics' stuff) doesn't mean they have a preternatural affinity for being able to do 'authentic' politics.
There are a lot of middle class people in these occupy things, and in various lefty organisations. But rather than castigating them for being involved in some way (even if they sometimes 'do it wrong') how about trying to get more working class people involved as well.
It's quite often the case, that just because someone happens to be middle class and they want to be involved in some sort of politics, they are automatically bad, clearly don't have a clue what they're on about, and are part of the problem. Sure, lots of middle class people 'do politics wrong' but there are plenty of working class people who 'do politics wrong' too. You're not automatically better at sorting out what the best way to go about something is or what the most important issues are just because you're working class. Both groups (insofar as they are 'groups' at all) inhabit a specific set of circumstances that helps shape how they see the world, both are a part of the system, both have a stake in it, and just because one gets a rawer deal than the other (economically, and we can argue the toss in terms of other things re: 'identity politics' stuff) doesn't mean they have a preternatural affinity for being able to do 'authentic' politics.
There are a lot of middle class people in these occupy things, and in various lefty organisations. But rather than castigating them for being involved in some way (even if they sometimes 'do it wrong') how about trying to get more working class people involved as well.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
oh for christ's sake, why can't these people just get a life?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Some of this stuff has got to be a piss-take, surely? I'd do it myself if I had the time.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
It's not so much about who should be doing what, but observations about who's doing it.
8ball
Testicle Menace
But if you are an elf, wouldn't it be a disadvantage.
I've seen Elf, and he seemed to have a very happy childhood even though he erroneously thought he was an elf.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
there will be no revolution without sausage rolls
8ball
Testicle Menace
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Yes, some of it is indeed people taking the piss. Like the site run by the guy who claims to be oppressed because he "identifies" as a piece of toast.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
'no smoke without a fire', the most infuriating rationale for anything ever! if you create a situation where aspersions and slander can be hurled without repurcussion, then aspersions and slander will be thrown. currently, the 'privilege' politics personalises itself to such an extent that even theoretically disagreeing with its precepts is seen by most of its adherents as being 'sexist' and, implicitly, personally threatening. as such, there is a culture of hyper-irrationality about any of these groups or any areas in which the ideas have taken hold. if you're of a certain disposition, the benefits of this environment are obvious. pick yourself an obscure, preferably 'new' identity clique with your own cultural oppression relatable and understandable only by you - you can now claim to be frightened or oppressed by all kinds of things that anyone who isn't you could never understand. not only this but you will be supported by a federal chain of other identity groups who will all agree that whatever it is you feel makes you 'sad' or otherwise 'put upon' is an immediate symptom of patriarchal oppression. anyone who doesn't understand is 'privileged' and, therefore, contemptible. if they're persistent in their disagreement, then they can easily be slandered as an actual physical threat. otherwise, if you are irreconcilably 'cis', you can still choose to 'sympathise' or be an 'ally' for one of these identities and feel their offence on their behalf - giving you some, if not all, of their authority. perhaps over time you will also be able to manoevre slowly into a vague 'queer' identity between cis and gay/trans and also persecute those who refuse to indulge your grossly inflated sense of self-entitlement.
shit floats.
the vast, vast bulk of it is all about feeling uncomfortable in shouty environments like football terraces or amongst boisterous 'lads' in pubs or on a night out
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
Yeah, and those observations are crucial in understanding who's engaging and who isn't, and why. But the way it's used is often as a sneering tool to automatically suggest that 'all these stupid, ineffective, wanky middle class students' clearly don't actually care about anything, and clearly couldn't possibly do any good, or do 'proper' Marxism, or whatever. It's just another way to shut people down.
8ball
Testicle Menace
How many people would have to identify as a piece of toast before their grievance was recognised?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
I understand that it can be a sneering tool, but what I'm trying to do is understand where this is all coming from (as you say in your first sentence).
That's got to be the start of what, if anything, is appropriate as a response and to who.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
mute-trans-demisex-anorex-toast.tumblr.comLink?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Some people just like to feel like victims and outcasts and no matter how inclusive you try to be they'll just think of some new and fucking stupid thing to be that you haven't got around to including yet. This sort of behaviour could be avoided by creating a single, unified policy of including everyone apart from self-satisfied attention seeking twats.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
I think that one was probably a piss-take.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Here's one I wrote ages ago, intended to be sent out on various email lists:
Naturally I never got around to sending it
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Gotta get with the yoot and start up your own giraffe-privilege tumblr site.Here's one I wrote ages ago, intended to be sent out on various email lists:
Naturally I never got around to sending it
8ball
Testicle Menace
I'm hopelessly confused about what's a privilege and what isn't now...
Also, what are we going to call male monarchists now that "manarchist" is taken?
Are female anarchists now femarchists, famarchists, anarchi-sisters?
