Maybe not them but the early doors ones might
Scotland to establish minimum unit price for alcohol
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UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Yes, No, Maybe. I'm massively opposed to it as at the price suggested it seems to target the poor. But as has been pointed out loads on this thread already, it's not the poor who consume the most booze, so I'm not sure it's just capitalism here. If you drink plenty and are doing well for yourself then, you can't blame shit wages and unemployment. Didn't the soviet union lose huge numbers of work days due to vodka?
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
I'd argue the Soviet Union lost those work days for exactly the reasons I've suggested.
Just because the rich drink excessively (because we all have an innate desire to feel 'other', and the rich specifically have the money to do it) doesn't excuse capitalism's preying on shit conditions for the working class forcing them into heavy escapism. And the war on drugs is relevant because, although not everyone uses a drug (and alcohol is a drug) for negative reasons, the need to escape from social deprivation is magnified by the only legal alternative being the pernicious alcohol. Legalize cannabis and the emergency services would have a lot less to deal with.
Just because the rich drink excessively (because we all have an innate desire to feel 'other', and the rich specifically have the money to do it) doesn't excuse capitalism's preying on shit conditions for the working class forcing them into heavy escapism. And the war on drugs is relevant because, although not everyone uses a drug (and alcohol is a drug) for negative reasons, the need to escape from social deprivation is magnified by the only legal alternative being the pernicious alcohol. Legalize cannabis and the emergency services would have a lot less to deal with.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I do that if drinking at home, although it's alongside the booze, rather than alternating, I suppose.
Try to remember to have water in pubs, but usually forget after the first few
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I often alternate alcohol/soft drinks when out and about. Even if you only do it for an hour or so it can be the difference between a decent night out and a pissed-up nightmare. I don't bother at home though.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
that's when it's most necessaryAnd, be honest, you forget to sit down to piss too.
Ideals, eh?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Well you should do that anyway.
I am genuinely unclear as to what this means. Well, newsagents don't tend to sell booze, but the main bit I don't understand is about the "early doors" ones. Does it mean people who want to buy alcohol earlier than 10.00 a.m., which is not legal anyway, or does "early doors" mean that it might put young teenagers off trying to buy booze?
I know this is a bit behind development of thread, but I puzzled over it yesterday, and now reckon I might as well ask, otherwise I won't know.
I'd love to know about the incident with the weedkiller. Was there really one? Oh, if not, please make up a good story and share it with us anyway.i wouldn't be allowed on the grounds of the local golf club
not after the incident with the weedkiller
"The Tale of Sir Pickman and the Weedkiller". And so it came to pass ...
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
In Scotland.
I'm not sure if it's a legal thing here but loads of places won't sell booze outside of certain hours. Our local (NW London) petrol station is a 24hr Tesco Metro that don't serve alcohol between 11pm and 10am.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Pretty sure the 'legal' thing is 8am in shops and supermarkets. It is round my way anyway.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Let's put it this way, something very rude was written on the fairway and they didn't take it well
Yes, sorry, was looking at silly amount of windows at same time, should have mentioned, I mean the licensing laws in Scotland involve off-sales alcohol only being sold between 10.00 and 22.00, and that might very well be different in England, Wales, (and the-gods-alone-know-how-things-are-done-in-N.Ireland).
Our local sainsburies opens at 6.00 am and it is possible to buy 4 spesh at that time. The newsagent near town opens at 5.00 am and again alcohol can be purchased then. For whatever reason that an individual wishes to purchase alcohol at an early hour (shift workers are often mentioned) 10.00 am can often see a certain sector of drinkers on their second wind.I am genuinely unclear as to what this means. Well, newsagents don't tend to sell booze, but the main bit I don't understand is about the "early doors" ones. Does it mean people who want to buy alcohol earlier than 10.00 a.m., which is not legal anyway, or does "early doors" mean that it might put young teenagers off trying to buy booze?
I know this is a bit behind development of thread, but I puzzled over it yesterday, and now reckon I might as well ask, otherwise I won't know.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Cultural changes as well. As a child in the 1970s, I remember my dad only used to drink at Christmas and other special occasions, apart from the odd few cans at home, and my mum, never much of a drinker anyway, almost not at all. For one thing, as a manual workers they couldn't afford it. When us kids got a bit older and could be left in without burning the house down or something, our parents started going out most Saturdays, and drank increasingly more, but still fairly moderately, when we were no longer their financial responsibility. One thing you didn't see even when I became old enough to legally go in pubs in the early 1980s, and probably for some time after that, was the kind of scene I've witnessed for some years now, which is pissed up groups of parents, with their bored and fractious offspring running amok, in pubs where they allow kids. Especially if you go in early Sunday evenings when they've been there all afternoon (witnessed some entertaining shitfaced arguments between families and friends at this time.) Seems the attitude is different now for many, and having kids doesn't necessarily mean abandoning your previous lifestyle (if you can afford it.)
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I like it! I lived for a while in St. Andrews and the golfy tourist men are an unsightly insult to all that is good and beautiful. But at least there it is mostly natural to its surroundings, unlike the bad stuff of making golf courses in dry places. Also, the Old Course is public. If you spoilsportingly won't tell, then at least I can wish it were somewhere like St. George's Hill.
<goes off to listen to Leon Rosselson and others>
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
All my drinking life I've drunk more than the recommended amount pretty much every week, sometimes significantly more, but for years now only on three nights a week with the rest alcohol free. Had a liver function test recently and it was apparently working perfectly. Which amazed me. I suppose it depends on the individual.
You do seem to slow down naturally after 50 anyway. Except in times of crisis.
Holy shit! Then again, that was my first thought, very closely followed by my second thought, which is indeed about shift workers. I understand that it used to be the case that pubs near the fruit market or whatever could open at different hours because, of course, chaps working all night and finishing in the morning, etc.
It does, though, logically seem entirely fair that people to whom 5 o'clock in the morning is what 17.30 or 18.00 is to shop or office workers ought to be allowed to buy food and booze as they head home for the evening, even if evening is morning.
OK, I can't quite get my head around people buying drinks at 5 a.m. then on second wind at 10 a.m., but these people must be quite few in number, surely? I could sort of imagine a big old party when people still awake would head out for more booze if available at 5 a.m., but I'd think, in that case, all would be happily asleep in heaps by 10.00.
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A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
There’s no law in England and Wales preventing it. Some local authorities ( which took responsibility for Licencing from magistrates a good few years ago) might impose conditions on off sales. Although, because they are subject to challenge, it’s more likely to be some kind of local ‘voluntary’ code ‘sugested’ by the local authority, often based on police ‘advice’.
Or it might just be the shop deciding themselves they don’t want the headache and setting their own hours in the same way lots of pubs still call last orders at 11 even though they don’t have to.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Interesting point, and most probably the case around my way. Which is Dyfed-Powys. Which was ‘dry’ on Sundays until relatively recently, and cultural changes take a while to effect. Particularly around here where it’s still 1962 on a bad day. But at least we’ll get The Beatles soon.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It'd especially gladden my heart if the pies were a little bit Sweeney Todd, filled with Civil Servants. All those resources, finally used for something useful!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The problem with making the "selling to drunk people law" more enforced, is that it's a) a matter of perspective on the part of the drink-seller, unless the person is falling-down drunk, and b) many retailers will still be tempted to sell the person "just one more drink" because they have a bottom line to consider, and the chances of being prosecuted for a breach will remain small (local authorities have cut staff from the departments that administer this legislation and other consumer safety stuff. Some London boroughs now have maybe half a dozen staff "policing" the entire borough).
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Owned by the village/town/borough, and covenanted so that it cannot be sold without a community referendum (or two).
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's going to get much worse from next year, as The Post Office has decided to end the sub-postmaster stipend (about £11,000 a year) which most subbies are dependent on as assured income. Conservative estimates are that the public will lose about 25% of sub-post offices, on top of those that have already gone in the last 5 years.
So fucking stupid, and very short-sighted. A quick saving, but the loss of an "estate" that would have been well-situated for doing business as a community bank, among other things.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
i wouldn't be allowed on the grounds of the local golf club
not after the incident with the weedkiller
It wasn't so much that you were spraying weedkiller on the fairways, it was that your supposed drunken stagger was later shown (on the club's Gala Day, with The Queen as guest-of-honour) to spell out in dead, blackened grass, "Fuck The Queen. I have. Up the Gary". I'm told that she was not amused, once her equerry had explained what a "Gary" was.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
As someone posted up-thread, Some Scan countries - coincidentally the ones with harsh booze restrictions - have massive problems with home-brewed and home-distilled booze.
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