Sara Sharif murder: ‘sadist’ father and stepmother jailed for life

[Petcha]

I've just sat through that sentencing and the summary from the judge. He was finally allowed to reveal the details of what that little girl went through.

Being beaten relentlessly. To the extent where she would lose control of her bowels and poo herself. Resulting in more beatings as punishment and the application of nappies. Which were never cleaned and infected the wounds.

Having boiling water poured over her ankles, leaving open wounds which were never treated. Having a hot iron applied to her bum, again, the raw wounds never treated. Dozens of broken bones. Bite marks from the step mother. Honestly.. fucking hell. Being tied up and hooded for days. Being strangled.

She was 10. Although it started earlier than that. Just WHAT THE FUCK.

I think the worst, well, poignant moment, was when the judge read a card that she had made for dad, saying something like 'dear daddy, im sorry for being naughty, i love you'

Sara Sharif murder: ‘sadist’ father and stepmother jailed for life

Urfan Sharif, 43, and Beinash Batool, 30, sentenced for killing 10-year-old who was found dead in Surrey home

www.theguardian.com

How the fuck did she slip through the system?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

This case has pushed my anti-death penalty stance to the very edge. Hefty minimum recs for the pair of them and I know it's unedifying, but the knowledge of how child abusers are 'respected' inside gives me a crumb of comfort, I genuinely hope and desire that every day they serve is a living hell for the pair of them.

 

[Petcha]

This case has pushed my anti-death penalty stance to the very edge. Hefty minimum recs for the pair of them and I know it's unedifying, but the knowledge of how child abusers are 'respected' inside gives me a crumb of comfort, I genuinely hope and desire that every day they serve is a living hell for the pair of them.

I was in tears listening to that.. That poor little thing. Being beaten for complaining about having broken bones (37 or so)...

I would happily bring back the death penalty for that cunt.

 

[JimW]

We have to make a society where the possibility of such cruelty going unnoticed is reduced to the minimum, and here we are dismantling what few protections we did have in place.

 

[breadandcircuse]

I've just sat through that sentencing and the summary from the judge. He was finally allowed to reveal the details of what that little girl went through.

Being beaten relentlessly. To the extent where she would lose control of her bowels and poo herself. Resulting in more beatings as punishment and the application of nappies. Which were never cleaned and infected the wounds.

Having boiling water poured over her ankles, leaving open wounds which were never treated. Having a hot iron applied to her bum, again, the raw wounds never treated. Dozens of broken bones. Bite marks from the step mother. Honestly.. fucking hell. Being tied up and hooded for days. Being strangled.

She was 10. Although it started earlier than that. Just WHAT THE FUCK.

I think the worst, well, poignant moment, was when the judge read a card that she had made for dad, saying something like 'dear daddy, im sorry for being naughty, i love you'

Sara Sharif murder: ‘sadist’ father and stepmother jailed for life

Urfan Sharif, 43, and Beinash Batool, 30, sentenced for killing 10-year-old who was found dead in Surrey home

www.theguardian.com

How the fuck did she slip through the system?

It's so fucking heartbreaking. The poor kid was in hell.

It's difficult to comment without sounding trite. I am in tears here though for Sara.

I thought the school were suspicious, but I don't know exactly what they did.

 

[A380]

…

How the fuck did she slip through the system?

There will be an enquiry. It will avoid saying: A complete lack of resources in Social Services, Education and policing meaning people working with case loads far in excess of what is safe and often beyond their level of training.

It will focus on the Swiss cheese. Which will be personal failings by the professionals involved, and maybe their line managers. It might say that people involved weren’t properly trained to agreed statements ( but see above) Communication breaking down between organisations and between teams on organisations. A failure of IT systems to interface correctly.

It will conclude by saying lessons have been learned.

The systemic reason is the public sector has been hollowed out in order to redistribute wealth to the big corporations and their owners. But no one really cares apart from for a few days after cases like this.

 

[Petcha]

There will be an enquiry. It will avoid saying: A complete lack of resources in Social Services, Education and policing meaning people working with case loads far in excess of what is safe and often beyond their level of training.

It will focus on the Swiss cheese. Which will be personal failings by the professionals involved, and maybe their line managers. It might say that people involved weren’t t properly trained to agreed statements ( but see above) Communication breaking down between organisations and between teams on organisations. A failure of IT systems to interface correctly.

It will conclude by saying lessons have been learned.

The systemic reason is the public sector has been hollowed out in order to redistribute wealth to the big corporations and their owners. But no one really cares apart from for a few days after cases like this.

I've had my own dealings with social services involving my own son and his mother's new partner. Their approach was to go over there and interview mum and her partner, who presented a perfectly polished performance and everything was dropped. The next time I saw my son he said it was still going on. So I called them back, eventually they came back to me and said they'd closed the case. 'Nothing to see here'

I don't get the impression they're particularly overloaded. It's the public sector. I've worked in it. Everything happens at a glacial pace. I do however appreciate being a social worker is not fun. I do, however, think that when my son was being 'interviewed', the guy in question shouldnt have been sitting next to him. To me that seems basic.

In Sara's case, yes, there has to be a serious enquiry. It was also interesting that the judge went a bit off script there and questioned why home schooling isn't more closely monitored.

 

[baldrick]

Home schooling is not the issue I don't think.

Yes she was taken off roll in apparent attempts to hide the abuse at home that school had spotted & reported on at least two occasions

But dad was given full residency of Sara and one of her siblings in family court despite being an abuser - Sara was known to social services since birth. One of her siblings never returned to the family from care.

The little I know suggests this is a family court problem, but the proceedings are secret and so we don't really know what happened in the custody hearings.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I've had my own dealings with social services involving my own son and his mother's new partner. Their approach was to go over there and interview mum and her partner, who presented a perfectly polished performance and everything was dropped. The next time I saw my son he said it was still going on. So I called them back, eventually they came back to me and said they'd closed the case. 'Nothing to see here'

I don't get the impression they're particularly overloaded. It's the public sector. I've worked in it. Everything happens at a glacial pace. I do however appreciate being a social worker is not fun. I do, however, think that when my son was being 'interviewed', the guy in question shouldnt have been sitting next to him. To me that seems basic.

In Sara's case, yes, there has to be a serious enquiry. It was also interesting that the judge went a bit off script there and questioned why home schooling isn't more closely monitored.

Was reading about Sara's case before, can't find it right now but it said Surrey Social Services deals with 4000 reports a month. That's a lot...

 

[Petcha]

Home schooling is not the issue I don't think.

Yes she was taken off roll in apparent attempts to hide the abuse at home that school had spotted & reported on at least two occasions

But dad was given full residency of Sara and one of her siblings in family court despite being an abuser - Sara was known to social services since birth. One of her siblings never returned to the family from care.

The little I know suggests this is a family court problem, but the proceedings are secret and so we don't really know what happened in the custody hearings.

Apparently one of the other children complained that the mother (who lives in Poland) was abusing him. So eventually the father was awarded full custody. Which in my experience of family courts is very unusual. The scales are very much weighed towards the mother, fathers have to fight hard for any custody and are sidelined. No idea what the details are of what the mother allegedly did though. But having been through years of custody battles I know the system fairly well and I assume the judge must have had fairly compelling evidence. Although as I say it's highly unusual for a judge to rule in favour of a father. The system is completely screwed in that sense. Dads have no rights. Maybe it was the fact that she had moved back to Poland which swayed the court. Still, foster care would have been a better option.

 

[Petcha]

Home schooling is not the issue I don't think.

Yes she was taken off roll in apparent attempts to hide the abuse at home that school had spotted & reported on at least two occasions

But dad was given full residency of Sara and one of her siblings in family court despite being an abuser - Sara was known to social services since birth. One of her siblings never returned to the family from care.

The little I know suggests this is a family court problem, but the proceedings are secret and so we don't really know what happened in the custody hearings.

The judge's point was that she was taken out of school for 'home schooling' because the injuries were becoming so obvious the parents were getting worried. No actual home schooling was done. She was tied up and hooded instead, with nobody checking on her.

 

[weltweit]

What the adults did to this defenceless child, is inexcusable.

I hope they rot in prison!

 

[breadandcircuse]

Apparently one of the other children complained that the mother (who lives in Poland) was abusing him. So eventually the father was awarded full custody. Which in my experience of family courts is very unusual. The scales are very much weighed towards the mother, fathers have to fight hard for any custody and are sidelined. No idea what the details are of what the mother allegedly did though. But having been through years of custody battles I know the system fairly well and I assume the judge must have had fairly compelling evidence. Although as I say it's highly unusual for a judge to rule in favour of a father. The system is completely screwed in that sense. Dads have no rights. Maybe it was the fact that she had moved back to Poland which swayed the court. Still, foster care would have been a better option.

I wondered why her mother was not around.

Those poor kids. Stuck between a rock and a hard place.

 

[editor]

The systemic reason is the public sector has been hollowed out in order to redistribute wealth to the big corporations and their owners. But no one really cares apart from for a few days after cases like this.

And that's the root of the problem right there. Fuck parasite healthcare corporations and all the vile billionaires gorging on their resources.

 

[starfish]

What the adults did to this defenceless child, is inexcusable.

I hope they rot in prison!

40 years & 33 years. They should never be released.

 

[Thora]

I've had my own dealings with social services involving my own son and his mother's new partner. Their approach was to go over there and interview mum and her partner, who presented a perfectly polished performance and everything was dropped. The next time I saw my son he said it was still going on. So I called them back, eventually they came back to me and said they'd closed the case. 'Nothing to see here'

I don't get the impression they're particularly overloaded. It's the public sector. I've worked in it. Everything happens at a glacial pace. I do however appreciate being a social worker is not fun. I do, however, think that when my son was being 'interviewed', the guy in question shouldnt have been sitting next to him. To me that seems basic.

In Sara's case, yes, there has to be a serious enquiry. It was also interesting that the judge went a bit off script there and questioned why home schooling isn't more closely monitored.

How on earth would you know if they are particularly overloaded, what an odd thing to say

The 'safe' recommended caseload for social workers is supposed to be under 15, and most social workers have over 25. Of course they're not going to be able to do a thorough job.

 

[Thora]

Home schooling is not the issue I don't think.

Yes she was taken off roll in apparent attempts to hide the abuse at home that school had spotted & reported on at least two occasions

But dad was given full residency of Sara and one of her siblings in family court despite being an abuser - Sara was known to social services since birth. One of her siblings never returned to the family from care.

The little I know suggests this is a family court problem, but the proceedings are secret and so we don't really know what happened in the custody hearings.

The home schooling stuff is a red herring. It's easy to say there will be more checks on home educated children, but who is supposed to do the checks? Social services didn't have the capacity to check on a child known to them since before her birth when school reported bruising.

 

[Spymaster]

I've just sat through that sentencing and the summary from the judge.

I couldn't listed to that. Had to turn it off.

And you lot have a go at me for wanting to execute certain scumbags.

Changed your minds now?

 

[trashpony]

Apparently one of the other children complained that the mother (who lives in Poland) was abusing him. So eventually the father was awarded full custody. Which in my experience of family courts is very unusual. The scales are very much weighed towards the mother, fathers have to fight hard for any custody and are sidelined. No idea what the details are of what the mother allegedly did though. But having been through years of custody battles I know the system fairly well and I assume the judge must have had fairly compelling evidence. Although as I say it's highly unusual for a judge to rule in favour of a father. The system is completely screwed in that sense. Dads have no rights. Maybe it was the fact that she had moved back to Poland which swayed the court. Still, foster care would have been a better option.

Is this really the thread to complain about how family courts are biased against fathers?

Fucking hell.

 

[Petcha]

The home schooling stuff is a red herring. It's easy to say there will be more checks on home educated children, but who is supposed to do the checks? Social services didn't have the capacity to check on a child known to them since before her birth when school reported bruising.

That was the judge's point. In his legalese, diplomatic way - he was saying 'the system's fucked'. You could see he was reluctant to make such a point so must have taken some thinking to say it.

 

[Pickman's model]

How on earth would you know if they are particularly overloaded, what an odd thing to say

The 'safe' recommended caseload for social workers is supposed to be under 15, and most social workers have over 25. Of course they're not going to be able to do a thorough job.

tbh fuck knows why people go into sw, it's a well-known route to having your reputation traduced

 

[Petcha]

Is this really the thread to complain about how family courts are biased against fathers?

Fucking hell.

I'm not doing that all. I'm trying to fathom how a family court thought the best idea was to place this little girl in the custody of someone who had previous. When many dads with unblemished records struggle to get weekends. It's a bit odd.

 

[emanymton]

I couldn't listed to that. Had to turn it off.

And you lot have a go at me for wanting to execute certain scumbags.

Changed your minds now?

I think there are some people who make a strong case for oubliettes in jails.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I couldn't listed to that. Had to turn it off.

And you lot have a go at me for wanting to execute certain scumbags.

Changed your minds now?

Mate, I am on the very fucking limit here. On balance I think that a monthly dousing with sugar-laden boiling water for the next 40 years is more fitting. I do wish them pain and harm, it reflects badly on me, I don't care.

 

[seeformiles]

40 years & 33 years. They should never be released.

I think the current combination of overcrowded and understaffed prisons, the morale of officers (plus the attitudes of other prisoners towards child killers) will almost guarantee they'll both be enjoying a diet of bodily waste for the next few decades plus frequent reminders of the appalling treatment they meted out to that poor wee girl. Fuck them both.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

I was in tears listening to that.. That poor little thing. Being beaten for complaining about having broken bones (37 or so)...

I would happily bring back the death penalty for that cunt.

Jesus. 37 or so broken bones. Fucking hell. She must've been in agony, poor thing. I didn't know about all the other stuff above about being burned with an iron and boiling water either. Sadistic cunts.

 

[MickiQ]

I couldn't listed to that. Had to turn it off.

And you lot have a go at me for wanting to execute certain scumbags.

Changed your minds now?

No I haven't.
Not arguing that the father of this poor child deserves a long drop at the end of a short rope but once you start executing people no matter how much they deserve it then you will eventually end up executing somebody who doesn't. And no matter how strong emotions run after cases like this (and I am outraged as anyone) we really don't want to start going down that road.
I understand the arguments against extra-judicial punishments but like so many other posters here though I am not going to lose any sleep should this guy be on the receiving end of the occasional or even frequent 'kicking' whilst inside.
Haven't the government now banned the taking of children considered 'at risk' out of school? Perhaps that will help, perhaps it won't. Sadly though of course this child will not be the last to suffer such a fate.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

There will be an enquiry. It will avoid saying: A complete lack of resources in Social Services, Education and policing meaning people working with case loads far in excess of what is safe and often beyond their level of training.

It will focus on the Swiss cheese. Which will be personal failings by the professionals involved, and maybe their line managers. It might say that people involved weren’t properly trained to agreed statements ( but see above) Communication breaking down between organisations and between teams on organisations. A failure of IT systems to interface correctly.

It will conclude by saying lessons have been learned.

The systemic reason is the public sector has been hollowed out in order to redistribute wealth to the big corporations and their owners. But no one really cares apart from for a few days after cases like this.

Yep, privatising the care of children. iirc, there was a furore not so long ago about there being lots of children in unregistered care facilities. But that's what you get when councils have to sell off assets like children's homes. They then have to send the looked after children somewhere, and that somewhere is the private sector, where staffing will be minimal and poorly paid, costs and corners are cut.

 

[Spymaster]

Not arguing that the father of this poor child deserves a long drop at the end of a short rope but once you start executing people no matter how much they deserve it then you will eventually end up executing somebody who doesn't.

This just isn't the case.

There are plenty of ways to safeguard against it, and reserving the big one only for scum like this would be one of the most effective.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Apparently the father had been reported to the police by at least three ex-partners for domestic violence. But nothing was done.