Rosemary Byrne charged with perjury in Sheridan case
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Frostys Lodger
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Former SSP regional organisers Jock Penman and Graham McIver now also charged according to Beeb.
Gail Sheridan and her dad to attend for police interview next tuesday according to Timesonline.
Gail Sheridan and her dad to attend for police interview next tuesday according to Timesonline.
JHE
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It would be a very strange outcome if Rosemary Byrne or other small fry were prosecuted and the Glorious Leader Himself were not.
As for Gail Stand-by-your-man, Woman Number One of the Glorious Leader... I feel rather sorry for her. I even have a sneaking feeling that she has not really lied, except to herself.
As for Gail Stand-by-your-man, Woman Number One of the Glorious Leader... I feel rather sorry for her. I even have a sneaking feeling that she has not really lied, except to herself.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Allegedly yes, Sheridan waved her work rota in court,which he knew was inadmissable, and he claimed meant, and frankly gave weight to his claim, he wasn't lying. If the polis now have that rota and it contradicts his claim then yes she did. She also claimed he was with her one one night he allegedly wasn't.
Frostys Lodger
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Daily Record reporting that 7 will eventually be charged including Gail and her dad Gus Healy.
There are rumours in Glasgow that Solidarity spinmiester, Jim Monaghan may also be under investigation for allegedly perverting the course of justice.
There are rumours in Glasgow that Solidarity spinmiester, Jim Monaghan may also be under investigation for allegedly perverting the course of justice.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
And all because Tommy insisted in bringing an action when he knew the story was true.
Frostys Lodger
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Worth a read for those trying to keep up with developments in the case.
http://loveandgarbage.livejournal.com
http://loveandgarbage.livejournal.com
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
No. Sheridan was found to be innocent in the libel trial, the jury found for him and against Murdoch.
This was a civil case, not a criminal one, so where is the public interest in a prosecution?
The story also alleged cocaine and alcohol, which the jury also saw fit not to believe iirc.
The jury, the jury, sided with Tommy. Are we to over-rule them and turn it into a criminal case?
Where is the justification for the resources being used on this case? Apart from your right wing friend Murdoch?
Scotland is a left of centre country, Sheridan was a left of centre MSP. Absolutely no public interest at all.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How's your fiddle dexter? Still working?
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
I do not understand this post. There was contradictory evidence in the libel trial.
Now, either Sheridan and his allies lied to the jury, or the people who gave evidence from the SSP NEC lied to the jury (remember they did not want to give evidence but had no choice - Sheridan had a choice about whether to bring forward his evidence).
Either way, someone is guilty of a criminal offence.
From the pure legal standpoint, no legal system can tolerate people getting away with lying - even in a socialist society, there would have to be action against someone who lied before a people's tribunal or democratic court.
The only question about the evidence gathering is whether it proves that Sheridan et al lied, or whether the SSP NEC lied. Everything else is irrelevant.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Contradictory evidence in a libel trial? 
fuck me, that's a new one, will wonders never cease
I see you lot post all the time, and I'll tell you what....it was a jury of his peers that found for Sheridan, not necessarily only on the facts.
You're all for the people deciding until you don't like the way they decide, then you're right in with the big boys.
And Fisher...what are you suggesting then? That every libel trial is followed by a perjury trial? A civil case should be followed by a criminal one? Fuck the people then, aye.
Hope it goes to trial.
Hopefully, as said before, we can shed more light on the so-called confession tape provided by a 'socialist' to the NotW, allegedly secretly taping a fellow socialist so as to get him prosecuted by a right-wing organisation. And the bugging of Sheridan's car.
btw the SSP sided with Murdoch, so fuck them sideways whatever happens.
fuck me, that's a new one, will wonders never cease
I see you lot post all the time, and I'll tell you what....it was a jury of his peers that found for Sheridan, not necessarily only on the facts.
You're all for the people deciding until you don't like the way they decide, then you're right in with the big boys.
And Fisher...what are you suggesting then? That every libel trial is followed by a perjury trial? A civil case should be followed by a criminal one? Fuck the people then, aye.
Hope it goes to trial.
Hopefully, as said before, we can shed more light on the so-called confession tape provided by a 'socialist' to the NotW, allegedly secretly taping a fellow socialist so as to get him prosecuted by a right-wing organisation. And the bugging of Sheridan's car.
btw the SSP sided with Murdoch, so fuck them sideways whatever happens.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Do you know the wandering minstrel boy?
200 grand the cunt got for dragging his comrades, ex sex partner and the whole socialist movement in scotland through the fucking gutter.
That's what he did, not for any principles or striking a blow for socialism -- For 200 fucking grand!!!
They can cry and moan about public interest all they want but he wasn't thinking about that when he decided to go on his egotrip.
Fuck him and all who sailed with him.
That's what he did, not for any principles or striking a blow for socialism -- For 200 fucking grand!!!
They can cry and moan about public interest all they want but he wasn't thinking about that when he decided to go on his egotrip.
Fuck him and all who sailed with him.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
You're talking about the man who only took a workers wage from his MSP salary, aye?
A man who, iirc, gave away half his salary because he thought it was too much?
Feel free to step up to the plate and tell me how much you give back, if you're going to go on about money matters being involved because this was fuck all to do with money. None of the other anti-Tommy's here will say a word about that either, I'm sure.
btw it's Scotland, not scotland.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yep, the same man.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
You're a fucking halfwit then, because he didn't get any money, it's on appeal.
As usual, rewriting history for political expediency.
Of course....no-one else would point that out. It's left to me.
Aye, the money he got for selling his story to the gutter press tabloid the Daily Record is obviously dependent on the appeal too. As is the money he got from the radio show. Whilst he was an SSP MSP he was taking a workers wage, Solidarity have never confirmed that he did so as a Solidarity MSP.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Dexter, you keep on chuntering on that what matters is that Tommy won his defamation action. I recommend you familiarise yourself with the Aitken and Archer cases.
It was in large part because of these cases that Tommy’s comrades advised him not to try to sue the NotW. And why try anyway – it not only exposes him to danger, but his comrades also. That turned out to be a risk bold Tommy was prepared to accept. Solidarity? He doesn’t know the meaning of the word!
This whole train-wreck of a situation is of Tommy’s own making – he knew, when he went swinging with a tabloid journo, that his sex-life might hit the front pages. That was probably part of the thrill. I don’t care. He could have easily carried that off; he had an interesting sex life, so what? That’s his business. And up to that point, my sympathies are with him. Where he loses my respect is when he did what he did next – squirming like a coward, he decided to put everyone else around him in the firing line. Indeed, he thought it was their duty. And even when Alan McCombs went to prison to try and keep Tommy’s affairs confidential, that was still not enough; Tommy saved some of his most bitter vitriol for Alan. Charming. Tommy sold out his comrades, his former lovers, his party, and ultimately the Scottish working class, who can only have suffered from the decline of the most successful parliamentary socialist party since the ILP. All of this was secondary to Tommy’s ego.
You say none of the “anti-Tommy brigade” praises him for his previous honourable behaviour. However, you may not remember – because you weren’t here – that I supported Tommy on these boards for his many achievements. And despite those who reminded me of his “name names” comments after the London Poll Tax demo, I did have a great deal of respect for him. But we must judge people on their actions, and Tommy has since shown he can’t be trusted. He is a class traitor, and must be shunned by all decent folk.
But you know all this, so why continue with your touching defence of Tommy? Is it because the Great Man must be followed, right or wrong? Well, that has nothing to do with being “left of centre” (to use your own Sillars-like phrase), and more to do with the cult of personality.
It was in large part because of these cases that Tommy’s comrades advised him not to try to sue the NotW. And why try anyway – it not only exposes him to danger, but his comrades also. That turned out to be a risk bold Tommy was prepared to accept. Solidarity? He doesn’t know the meaning of the word!
This whole train-wreck of a situation is of Tommy’s own making – he knew, when he went swinging with a tabloid journo, that his sex-life might hit the front pages. That was probably part of the thrill. I don’t care. He could have easily carried that off; he had an interesting sex life, so what? That’s his business. And up to that point, my sympathies are with him. Where he loses my respect is when he did what he did next – squirming like a coward, he decided to put everyone else around him in the firing line. Indeed, he thought it was their duty. And even when Alan McCombs went to prison to try and keep Tommy’s affairs confidential, that was still not enough; Tommy saved some of his most bitter vitriol for Alan. Charming. Tommy sold out his comrades, his former lovers, his party, and ultimately the Scottish working class, who can only have suffered from the decline of the most successful parliamentary socialist party since the ILP. All of this was secondary to Tommy’s ego.
You say none of the “anti-Tommy brigade” praises him for his previous honourable behaviour. However, you may not remember – because you weren’t here – that I supported Tommy on these boards for his many achievements. And despite those who reminded me of his “name names” comments after the London Poll Tax demo, I did have a great deal of respect for him. But we must judge people on their actions, and Tommy has since shown he can’t be trusted. He is a class traitor, and must be shunned by all decent folk.
But you know all this, so why continue with your touching defence of Tommy? Is it because the Great Man must be followed, right or wrong? Well, that has nothing to do with being “left of centre” (to use your own Sillars-like phrase), and more to do with the cult of personality.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
He called it a "workers' wage", but it was in fact the national average. This was met with disgruntlement from some who thought he (and eventually the other SSP MSPs) should have taken the national mean wage. It was still far more than I get, for example. However, it was a gesture other MSPs in other parties didn't make.
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Contradictory evidence in a libel trial?
fuck me, that's a new one, will wonders never cease
I see you lot post all the time, and I'll tell you what....it was a jury of his peers that found for Sheridan, not necessarily only on the facts.
You're all for the people deciding until you don't like the way they decide, then you're right in with the big boys.
And Fisher...what are you suggesting then? That every libel trial is followed by a perjury trial? A civil case should be followed by a criminal one? Fuck the people then, aye.
Hope it goes to trial.
Hopefully, as said before, we can shed more light on the so-called confession tape provided by a 'socialist' to the NotW, allegedly secretly taping a fellow socialist so as to get him prosecuted by a right-wing organisation. And the bugging of Sheridan's car.
btw the SSP sided with Murdoch, so fuck them sideways whatever happens.
Most Libel trials revolve around interpretation of events and the complex area of defence - "justification", "fair comment" etc. Only rarely are the facts disputed, as they were in this case - one group of witnesses said Sheridan admitted certain activities, the other group denied it. It was obvious someone was going to be charged with perjury, the only question was who.
At the end of the day, it was Sheridan who chose to pursue the libel case in the full knowledge there would be further ramifications. I am sure that if he is innocent of perjury, he and all the others accused of it will get their day in court to defend themselves and seek acquittal.
And the SSP never sided with Murdoch. They were called by the court to give evidence having failed in their attempt to get Sheridan to call it off. One of the SSP went to jail for the right not to hand evidence over remember.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
I've made my position clear.
You say he's a class traitor, you don't want him to win the cases.
I do.
I've stated, many times, that I do so mainly for political reasons and that the reason for all of these cases is political. Your good selves stand in outrage and say you're doing it for moral reasons.
I don't consider myself fit to be a moral arbiter, I leave that to my betters such as yourselves.
As to yourself Mr Larouge, I've challenged you many times to name the politicians you support, which you singularly avoid doing on each occasion so it seems more like a case of 'charity begins at home, justice begins next door'- although you are not slow in saying, as we've seen, which ones you would kill.
And on the occasions you have put words into my mouth and been challenged to prove them, politician's bluster, histrionics and ad hominem were the only answers. You're not most closely associated with honesty and truth yourself whilst you try to bring it to bear on others.
So like I say, I'll leave you lot to be the judges of morality, you're all obviously very qualified to do so.
You say he's a class traitor, you don't want him to win the cases.
I do.
I've stated, many times, that I do so mainly for political reasons and that the reason for all of these cases is political. Your good selves stand in outrage and say you're doing it for moral reasons.
I don't consider myself fit to be a moral arbiter, I leave that to my betters such as yourselves.
As to yourself Mr Larouge, I've challenged you many times to name the politicians you support, which you singularly avoid doing on each occasion so it seems more like a case of 'charity begins at home, justice begins next door'- although you are not slow in saying, as we've seen, which ones you would kill.
And on the occasions you have put words into my mouth and been challenged to prove them, politician's bluster, histrionics and ad hominem were the only answers. You're not most closely associated with honesty and truth yourself whilst you try to bring it to bear on others.
So like I say, I'll leave you lot to be the judges of morality, you're all obviously very qualified to do so.
JHE
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...and such as Big Tommy Liar who called his long-time comrades in the SSP scabs and liars?
He wasn't found to be "innocent", the jury simply preferred the cut of his jib.
Someone was lying. To do so under oath is a criminal offence (even if it's only in a Civil court).
Apart from the Criminal Justice system's duty to evaluate the perjury evidence and prosecute.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I have told you every time you've asked that I don't support any politicians - I'm an anarchist. You don't seem to understand this, but then there seems to be a lot you can't understand so I don't suppose that should be a surprise.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Oh, and while we're at it, this is one of the things you repeatedly fail to understand. Tommy wasn't "found innocent". There are several reasons for this, the most important being that he wasn't on trial.
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