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Roger "This Fucking Guy" Waters Latest:


Yeah, yeah, it's all from the smash hit album/movie the Wall. . . but come on, putting a Star of David on a pig? Could he really be that fucking thick and ignorant? Apparently he can.

As for going to Berlin and carrying on like this -



I mean, really.
 
The guys a racist fuck.
I don't think he is, actually, but I do think his messaging is now so idiotic and moronic that he might as well be.

A source (from the inside of my head) indicates that Waters plans to enter a plea of "guilty but insane, and, like, who is the real Nazi, maaan?"
 
I don't think he is, actually, but I do think his messaging is now so idiotic and moronic that he might as well be.

A source (from the inside of my head) indicates that Waters plans to enter a plea of "guilty but insane, and, like, who is the real Nazi, maaan?"
Racism is defined by the victim as per the McPherson report.
 
As I think I said up thread the star of david pig seems to have been a one off from a few years ago that hasn't been repeated. The Wall and its use of fascist imagery are decades old, and in it's own self-indulgent way it's anti-fascist. I think that's something everybody understands if they watch it. I don't particularly care about Roger Waters latest rehash of his old songs but Germany is going down an authoritarian route visa vie the right to protest against Israel's actions see:

 
As I think I said up thread the star of david pig seems to have been a one off from a few years ago that hasn't been repeated. The Wall and its use of fascist imagery are decades old, and in it's own self-indulgent way it's anti-fascist. I think that's something everybody understands if they watch it. I don't particularly care about Roger Waters latest rehash of his old songs but Germany is going down an authoritarian route visa vie the right to protest against Israel's actions see:

As mentioned above, whether he's an active racist or not is almost immaterial. He's become a self important controversialist and he puts his 'art' ahead of any real sense of building something with/for oppressed groups.

Oh, and I bet those coats were leather. :mad:
 
As mentioned above, whether he's an active racist or not is almost immaterial. He's become a self important controversialist and he puts his 'art' ahead of any real sense of building something with/for oppressed groups.

Oh, and I bet those coats were leather. :mad:

I agree with that but I'm also disturbed that his show is getting cancelled on spurious grounds.
 
He's not a controversialist, he's a bloke with a very crude view of anti-imperialism and all the tact and subtlety of an Oliver Stone film. He has been doing his heavy handed and blunt tour of the Wall for decades. Mostly without controversy, except whether he's a dullard now or not. In fact many aspects of the bluntness were once praised for stating 'harsh truths'. Do I wish he wouldn't do it? Of course. Are many of the criticisms of him and the tour unfair and being made in bad faith? Absolutely.

He's also on the right side when it comes to both Venezuela & Assange.
 
Good post from belboid I think. To be perfectly honest this thread has made me realise he's not as much of a twat as I thought he was. Check his actual statements on Venezuela, Ukraine or Assange and he's either right or wrt Ukraine there's still a (bare minimum) nuance albeit in a cloud of whataboutery to be OK. I'm also, despite my suspicions of him, not seeing anything that could honestly be called anti-semitism other than the star of david pig, which as far as I know has long been dropped. He's not Chris Williamson or George Galloway level idiot anti-imperialism. There's a certain leftist cringe factor with him but that's just a leftist cringe thing and you should try to get over that.

I suppose there's a question about whether he's doing more harm than good but I doubt he's doing very much of either in practice. But the way people engage with art - even heavy handed art - is not usually didactic. Maybe his message makes people think without the need to hang off his every word.

He's had a long standing interest in Palestine in particular that's based on a personal story, it's fair he should talk about these things. And even if it isn't he has a right to do it anyway and that absolutely should be defended.

(I still kind of hate the Wall though.)
 
I think as he's become more political and found that voice after leaving Floyd he's let politics and his stardom go to his head. Shame really because he's a talented song writer. Amused to Death for example has some brilliant songs on it.
 
I think as he's become more political and found that voice after leaving Floyd he's let politics and his stardom go to his head. Shame really because he's a talented song writer. Amused to Death for example has some brilliant songs on it.
Final Cut.

You can see all the bluntness and didacticism in there, a (quite rightly) righteous fury at how his dads' generation had been betrayed, with the Falklands' vile jingoism being the opposite of what they fought for in WW2.

There is certainly something in that isolation and the self-importance that goes with being a ridiculously popular band frontman that lends itself to ever cruder and 'harder' views. There's no one to rein you in, or (more broadly) a party you can commit to to help you clarify and hone your gut anger into a more nuanced and engaging way. I think even the idiots Galloway & Williamson are victims of that effect too. They adapt to a group that they can be the Big Beast in and get completely indulged.
 
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This is just like an actor wearing an SS uniform on stage isn't it? I doubt the context is that he's a lovely bloke with great morals doing great things.
 
Roger "This Fucking Guy" Waters Latest:


Yeah, yeah, it's all from the smash hit album/movie the Wall. . . but come on, putting a Star of David on a pig? Could he really be that fucking thick and ignorant? Apparently he can.

As for going to Berlin and carrying on like this -



I mean, really.

The tweet you posted now has added context.

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The wall is not pro-nazi, it’s the opposite. Roger waters has been a constant defender of Palestinian rights against the barrage of pro-Zionist attacks that always seek to silence the voices of anyone who criticises the Israeli apartheid regime.
He is no more an anti Zionist than corbyn is
And there it is folks! You confused anti-zionist with anti-Semitic didn't you? Are you sure, therefore, that you've never confused "Zionist" with "Jew"?
 
I want to like him but his music is laughably bad.
Rubbish. see above link to a Radio Chaos track (The tide is Turning) concerning the Live Aid phenomenon and the 1980s decimation of coal mining by the Thatcherite bullycunts. His music aint universally good, but contains some diamonds. Few musicians artists are pure, but many are good in parts like the curates egg. Roger is just that, a curates egg.
 
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