Roger Waters self indulgent twat / not self indulgent twat
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Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Roger "This Fucking Guy" Waters Latest:
www.france24.com
Yeah, yeah, it's all from the smash hit album/movie the Wall. . . but come on, putting a Star of David on a pig? Could he really be that fucking thick and ignorant? Apparently he can.
As for going to Berlin and carrying on like this -
I mean, really.
Berlin police probe Pink Floyd's Roger Waters over Nazi-style uniform
Berlin police said Friday they were investigating Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters for incitement to hatred after he donned a Nazi-style uniform at a concert in the German capital.
www.france24.com
Yeah, yeah, it's all from the smash hit album/movie the Wall. . . but come on, putting a Star of David on a pig? Could he really be that fucking thick and ignorant? Apparently he can.
As for going to Berlin and carrying on like this -
I mean, really.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
The guys a racist fuck.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
I don't think he is, actually, but I do think his messaging is now so idiotic and moronic that he might as well be.
A source (from the inside of my head) indicates that Waters plans to enter a plea of "guilty but insane, and, like, who is the real Nazi, maaan?"
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Racism is defined by the victim as per the McPherson report.
As I think I said up thread the star of david pig seems to have been a one off from a few years ago that hasn't been repeated. The Wall and its use of fascist imagery are decades old, and in it's own self-indulgent way it's anti-fascist. I think that's something everybody understands if they watch it. I don't particularly care about Roger Waters latest rehash of his old songs but Germany is going down an authoritarian route visa vie the right to protest against Israel's actions see:
www.972mag.com
Where can we Palestinians mourn our catastrophe?
By banning our ability to mourn the Nakba, Germany is opening the floodgates to a new wave of repression against all aspects of Palestinian identity.
www.972mag.com
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
As mentioned above, whether he's an active racist or not is almost immaterial. He's become a self important controversialist and he puts his 'art' ahead of any real sense of building something with/for oppressed groups.As I think I said up thread the star of david pig seems to have been a one off from a few years ago that hasn't been repeated. The Wall and its use of fascist imagery are decades old, and in it's own self-indulgent way it's anti-fascist. I think that's something everybody understands if they watch it. I don't particularly care about Roger Waters latest rehash of his old songs but Germany is going down an authoritarian route visa vie the right to protest against Israel's actions see:
Where can we Palestinians mourn our catastrophe?
By banning our ability to mourn the Nakba, Germany is opening the floodgates to a new wave of repression against all aspects of Palestinian identity.
Oh, and I bet those coats were leather.
savoloysam
Pigman's pigman's ha ha charade you are..
Didn't he buddy up with that dictator who collapsed the Venezuelan economy too?
As mentioned above, whether he's an active racist or not is almost immaterial. He's become a self important controversialist and he puts his 'art' ahead of any real sense of building something with/for oppressed groups.
Oh, and I bet those coats were leather.
I agree with that but I'm also disturbed that his show is getting cancelled on spurious grounds.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
He's not a controversialist, he's a bloke with a very crude view of anti-imperialism and all the tact and subtlety of an Oliver Stone film. He has been doing his heavy handed and blunt tour of the Wall for decades. Mostly without controversy, except whether he's a dullard now or not. In fact many aspects of the bluntness were once praised for stating 'harsh truths'. Do I wish he wouldn't do it? Of course. Are many of the criticisms of him and the tour unfair and being made in bad faith? Absolutely.
He's also on the right side when it comes to both Venezuela & Assange.
He's also on the right side when it comes to both Venezuela & Assange.
Good post from belboid I think. To be perfectly honest this thread has made me realise he's not as much of a twat as I thought he was. Check his actual statements on Venezuela, Ukraine or Assange and he's either right or wrt Ukraine there's still a (bare minimum) nuance albeit in a cloud of whataboutery to be OK. I'm also, despite my suspicions of him, not seeing anything that could honestly be called anti-semitism other than the star of david pig, which as far as I know has long been dropped. He's not Chris Williamson or George Galloway level idiot anti-imperialism. There's a certain leftist cringe factor with him but that's just a leftist cringe thing and you should try to get over that.
I suppose there's a question about whether he's doing more harm than good but I doubt he's doing very much of either in practice. But the way people engage with art - even heavy handed art - is not usually didactic. Maybe his message makes people think without the need to hang off his every word.
He's had a long standing interest in Palestine in particular that's based on a personal story, it's fair he should talk about these things. And even if it isn't he has a right to do it anyway and that absolutely should be defended.
(I still kind of hate the Wall though.)
I suppose there's a question about whether he's doing more harm than good but I doubt he's doing very much of either in practice. But the way people engage with art - even heavy handed art - is not usually didactic. Maybe his message makes people think without the need to hang off his every word.
He's had a long standing interest in Palestine in particular that's based on a personal story, it's fair he should talk about these things. And even if it isn't he has a right to do it anyway and that absolutely should be defended.
(I still kind of hate the Wall though.)
savoloysam
Pigman's pigman's ha ha charade you are..
I think as he's become more political and found that voice after leaving Floyd he's let politics and his stardom go to his head. Shame really because he's a talented song writer. Amused to Death for example has some brilliant songs on it.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Final Cut.
You can see all the bluntness and didacticism in there, a (quite rightly) righteous fury at how his dads' generation had been betrayed, with the Falklands' vile jingoism being the opposite of what they fought for in WW2.
There is certainly something in that isolation and the self-importance that goes with being a ridiculously popular band frontman that lends itself to ever cruder and 'harder' views. There's no one to rein you in, or (more broadly) a party you can commit to to help you clarify and hone your gut anger into a more nuanced and engaging way. I think even the idiots Galloway & Williamson are victims of that effect too. They adapt to a group that they can be the Big Beast in and get completely indulged.
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equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
What a fucking twat.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
If you think that’s bad, you should hear his music, the talentless hack
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Doesn't seem so.
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seeformiles
Lost in the wood
But it’s not an SS Uniform
ruffneck23
front left
Roger "This Fucking Guy" Waters Latest:
Berlin police probe Pink Floyd's Roger Waters over Nazi-style uniform
Berlin police said Friday they were investigating Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters for incitement to hatred after he donned a Nazi-style uniform at a concert in the German capital.
Yeah, yeah, it's all from the smash hit album/movie the Wall. . . but come on, putting a Star of David on a pig? Could he really be that fucking thick and ignorant? Apparently he can.
As for going to Berlin and carrying on like this -
I mean, really.
The tweet you posted now has added context.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I want to like him but his music is laughably bad.
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
The wall is not pro-nazi, it’s the opposite. Roger waters has been a constant defender of Palestinian rights against the barrage of pro-Zionist attacks that always seek to silence the voices of anyone who criticises the Israeli apartheid regime.
He is no more an anti Zionist than corbyn is
He is no more an anti Zionist than corbyn is
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Southlondon Yeah, the Wall is not pro Nazi (and the point of the uniform is not to be pro Nazi), but after that your post loses its way.
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
Just pointing out he has been a consistent supporter of the Palestinian people who are suffering an illegal occupation by an apartheid state
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
The Israeli state is indeed an apartheid state. But it’s perfectly possible to oppose it without crossing into blaming Jews in general. Which line Waters crossed with the Star of David pig, for example.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
And there it is folks! You confused anti-zionist with anti-Semitic didn't you? Are you sure, therefore, that you've never confused "Zionist" with "Jew"?
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
Wanker
Rubbish. see above link to a Radio Chaos track (The tide is Turning) concerning the Live Aid phenomenon and the 1980s decimation of coal mining by the Thatcherite bullycunts. His music aint universally good, but contains some diamonds. Few musicians artists are pure, but many are good in parts like the curates egg. Roger is just that, a curates egg.
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