RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021
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Yeah, it sounds like she (and Nick Robinson) don't actually understand what people are freaking out about at all.
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
Also useless without the tools to back it up.
My own experience, as I’ve detailed before, was that the police were essentially powerless to really help with the coercive control and emotional abuse. To the extent that several apologised, and one actually phoned me up to ask me to be a campaigner.
Me too. Very much from the 'pull yourselves together and stop making a fuss' school of thought.
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
You know what....
Last night I wrote a post about this thing of being accused of hysteria and then deleted it. Because I was worried I’d be seen to be overreacting. The conditioning goes very deep.
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
I don’t mind murder mysteries. I kind of zone out for the murder bit, it’s the puzzle I’m interested in
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The shit i hate and actively avoid is the male on male macho bullshit. The endless repetitive and incredibly ramped up action scenes, with men competitivey beating the crap out of each other and demonstrating their power and virility with a succession of huge weapons and enormous explosions.
I hate it more when they are fighting over an objectified woman, and I hate it more when they try to disguise the bullshit by making the woman “strong and independent”.
The one that I felt really revolted by was Kill Bill. All that ultra violence cynically given to a gorgeous sexy woman who was operating as a male cipher. And then it turned out that Tarantino had been emotionally abusive to Thurman during the making of the movies, which was, like, zero surprising.
Even though I acrively avoid this shit, I somehow know a good deal about it.... because it’s so fucking pervasive.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Or they shared the attitudes he displayed
bimble
floofy
exactly.
polly
Well-Known Member
I'm really glad other women were angered by that R4 reporting this morning. Absolutely no understanding of how this shit is linked to the everyday experience of women, how it's the end point of so so so much other shit. I'm going to complain and urge you all to do the same.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I think that whatever the mathematical probability, describing people's concerns as hysterical is beyond the pale.
polly
Well-Known Member
Absolutely. I didn't hear that bit, which is good because I'm already so fucking angry and sad.
bimble
floofy
SheilaNaGig same here Kill Bill made me furious, I was raging actually went to cinema to see bloody thing and left halfway
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
The establishment are probably freaking out because their usual response of "we will solve this with more police" won't be as effective as it usually is and they might actually have to face a proper conversation about it
Interesting / gross piece here about coppers getting away with intimate crimes - in the context of domestic violence here, but you can be sure there'll be a lot that's relevant to this case.
www.thebureauinvestigates.com
Nowhere to turn: Women say domestic abuse by police officers goes…
A major investigation finds police officers are accused of domestic abuse four times a week on average, and forces are accused of failing to adequately…
www.thebureauinvestigates.com
tony.c
Well-Known Member
Radio 4 News this morning claimed the breakthrough came from a bus video cam footage.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Absolutely harrowing.Interesting / gross piece here about coppers getting away with intimate crimes - in the context of domestic violence here, but you can be sure there'll be a lot that's relevant to this case.
Nowhere to turn: Women say domestic abuse by police officers goes…
A major investigation finds police officers are accused of domestic abuse four times a week on average, and forces are accused of failing to adequately…
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
It would be good if the police would now do a review of their officer's records and try to work out which of them might be a danger to women. Because I also don't believe he'll have gone from 'totally non-misogynist perfect record officer' to doing this without warning signs. But I won't hold my breath.
izz
Increased Leisure Citizen
FFS, this thing is 'actually very rare' partly due to the precautions we take and the awareness we have that it might happen.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
How would you suggest "the police" review their officers' records, I submit there's obvious potential for dodginess in that. There is no way I can readily imagine in which the police can properly allay public concerns by themselves examining their records. Not to mention that the records may not be designed to capture the evidence you think might be there.
Athos
Well-Known Member
They'll say their hands are tied; that they can't discipline someone unless they're found to have committed misconduct (which is likely to be pretty rare in respect of stuff that happens in private). But, if they were serious about it, there's certainly an opportunity for some sort of intervention (even if not disciplinary) in respect of those who have multiple complaints against them alleging similar conduct, even if they haven't been upheld.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
That's all true but it's worth thinking through what information they might have on their officers, and what information they don't have that they should do. And what rules there should be. Should domestic abuse allegations against an officer be passed to another force to investigate, for instance (just going from that article above).
Of course the whole barrel is rotten, but there are types of rottenness that needn't be so prevalent.
LeytonCatLady
Well-Known Member
Rest in peace Sarah, and my thoughts are with your family, partner and friends.
Also, fuck the police's advice about not going out. Personally, I have never been scared of men in my life and I don't intend to start now. Yes, I take the usual precautions of having my phone on me, sticking to well lit main roads and walking tall/confidently. But I live in the UK, not Saudi fucking Arabia, and I have every right to go out when I choose. I shouldn't have to cower inside after dark just because I happen to have lady bits, and I fucking well won't either. I notice the same people who give out this frankly sexist advice are usually the same types who dismiss stories of sexism/harassment with "But we're all equal now, you don't need feminism".
In fact, the stats show women are at higher risk from someone we know! So that means I'm more likely to be murdered by one of my housemates than some random stranger. Does that make it my fault if something happens to me at home?
I think part of the problem we still have is that even in an age of equality, we still don't really raise girls to be independent like we do boys. For example, girls often aren't shown how to read maps because it's assumed we won't need to.
(I remember buying an A-Z street atlas at 14 and teaching myself how to use it because I didn't want to have to rely on a bloke to take me everywhere). We need to be teaching every kid the same survival skills regardless of gender, whether that be self defence, spatial awareness, cooking, money management etc. Then maybe women being out alone can be normalised and not seen as "putting ourselves at risk". After all, no one tells men not to go out at night, and they're at higher risk of being beaten up, stabbed or mugged. However, no one's using that as an excuse to restrict male freedom of movement. I've lost count of the number of victims of knife crime in London just in recent weeks, never mind months, but I know all were young men. And quite rightly, no one's questioned the victim's actions but somehow this is acceptable with female victims of sexual violence? It's a blatant double standard.
And if I've said it once I must've said it loads of times, but we can't do right for doing wrong. Because if we trust a man and something happens, we were naive, but if we don't we're arrogant, man hating feminazi bitches. Thank you, patriarchy! If this guy is found guilty, Sarah will have been murdered by a copper who abused his position of trust. Bad as some police officers can be, is it really naive to expect them not to murder you???
Also, fuck the police's advice about not going out. Personally, I have never been scared of men in my life and I don't intend to start now. Yes, I take the usual precautions of having my phone on me, sticking to well lit main roads and walking tall/confidently. But I live in the UK, not Saudi fucking Arabia, and I have every right to go out when I choose. I shouldn't have to cower inside after dark just because I happen to have lady bits, and I fucking well won't either. I notice the same people who give out this frankly sexist advice are usually the same types who dismiss stories of sexism/harassment with "But we're all equal now, you don't need feminism".
In fact, the stats show women are at higher risk from someone we know! So that means I'm more likely to be murdered by one of my housemates than some random stranger. Does that make it my fault if something happens to me at home?
I think part of the problem we still have is that even in an age of equality, we still don't really raise girls to be independent like we do boys. For example, girls often aren't shown how to read maps because it's assumed we won't need to.
(I remember buying an A-Z street atlas at 14 and teaching myself how to use it because I didn't want to have to rely on a bloke to take me everywhere). We need to be teaching every kid the same survival skills regardless of gender, whether that be self defence, spatial awareness, cooking, money management etc. Then maybe women being out alone can be normalised and not seen as "putting ourselves at risk". After all, no one tells men not to go out at night, and they're at higher risk of being beaten up, stabbed or mugged. However, no one's using that as an excuse to restrict male freedom of movement. I've lost count of the number of victims of knife crime in London just in recent weeks, never mind months, but I know all were young men. And quite rightly, no one's questioned the victim's actions but somehow this is acceptable with female victims of sexual violence? It's a blatant double standard.And if I've said it once I must've said it loads of times, but we can't do right for doing wrong. Because if we trust a man and something happens, we were naive, but if we don't we're arrogant, man hating feminazi bitches. Thank you, patriarchy! If this guy is found guilty, Sarah will have been murdered by a copper who abused his position of trust. Bad as some police officers can be, is it really naive to expect them not to murder you???
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donkyboy
Crazy Cat/Fox man
apparently he might have flashed his warrant card to her. this may explain how easy it was for him to carry this whole thing off with ease. This is going to make things difficult. If your a woman and a bloke claiming to be from the police shows you his card, how you now going to trust him and comply?
BusLanes
Pedestrian
I reckon that is quite likely. The advertising on social media is being pushed a lot too.
What has this got to do with anything?He only met his wife 12 years ago apparently so their two kids must be quite young
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i started a thread recently reporting that the met are issuing new warrant cards to all their officers as there are so many fakes circulating. not that anyone outside the police has ever got a good look at a warrant card so is unlikely to know what one really looks like. so it'd be easy to bamboozle the unwary with any card with the mps device on it.
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
the vast majority of murderers are men full stop
