Right-wing party wanted?

[magneze]

David Wanky Cameron is, as far as I can see, interchangeable with Blair. There is no credible right-wing party to vote for. By right-wing I mean:

A party that sees we are paying ever-more tax for ever-less results ... and will cut the massive army of paper-shufflers to deliver FRONT-LINE service.

Which will build more prisons, to get scum off the streets.

I could go on, but I won't write a manifesto. Yes, I'm aware that 90% of u75 wouldn't vote for such a party. I simply ask: wouldn't it be a good idea that a CREDIBLE right-wing alternative to what we have now existed -- if for no other reason than to challenge the grand orthodoxy of Blair/Cameron?

The LibDems are wilderness, as are the hard left and hard right (all in terms of the ballot box). Do we therefore not need a "reasonable" right-wing party?

Jaysus, I think we have enough right wing parties fankyouverymucho. Some "left-wing" ones would be a breathe of fresh air ...

 

[Karac]

There is a surprisingly high proportion of people on this forum who think that it is a major social gaffe to complain about a group of public servants getting a wage hike from £70k to £130k. Some of them got quite aerated, and lost their sense of humour. It was very revealing.

Its amazing how Urban 75 has changed in 5 years.
It used to be "Anarchists" and alternatives-now its "should i send my kids to private school"

 

[trashpony]

Its amazing how Urban 75 has changed in 5 years.
It used to be "Anarchists" and alternatives-now its "should i send my kids to private school"

It's amazing how two years of you being on the boards becomes five ...

 

[Soul On Ice]

Jaysus, I think we have enough right wing parties fankyouverymucho. Some "left-wing" ones would be a breathe of fresh air ...

Not sure we need any more left wing parties either. Was subject to a discussion on another U75 thread here:
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=156778

and someone posted this fantastically long list of left wing parties in the UK
http://www.broadleft.org/gb.htm

I think there is more of a need for the left wing parties to consolidate and then spend time their time finding out how to build a platform that means something to a large number of people as oppose to the usual sectarian posturing and promotion of outdated policies that mean nothing to the majority of folk in this country.

Personally I have a great deal of sympathy with the analysis that the left brings to bear but it needs to be converted into a manifesto that will engage with people. The current way of doing things just ain't working.

 

[IMHO]

Isn't building more prisons actually just spending ever-more tax for ever-less results and increasing the number of paper-shufflers?

Ever-less results? I'd say that taking scum out of circulation is a big result. Socially for obvious reasons, and financially because policing/insurance/NHS injury costs could be reduced.

How about reforming the drug laws - it would be far cheaper to give addicts smack for a few pennies a shot than have crime, insurance premiums, repairs, courts, lawyers, cctv, police, prisons, mafia, wars and troops in Afghanistan.

The problem with drugs for pennies is that it could encourage more people to try them and potentially become hooked.

What about liberty and freedom? Aren't these worthwhile values as well?

Too bloody right they are. I'm not arguing against that.

How about switching taxs from things that are no harm (eg working) to things that are harmful (eg excessive consumption) - albeit in a way that adjusts for the resulting impacts on the poorest people?

How about giving everyone - employed or unemployed - a basic "citizens income " straight into a bank account, therby cutting at a stroke both a vast paper-pushing bureacracy and the disincentive to working for people on benefits? Adjustments to the tax system would easily mean that people in work would in effect pay what they got so it would be no more expensive than the current benefits system, except that you would save vast amounts on DWP wages and have more people willing to do casual and temporary work, boosting the economy and small businesses.

100% agree.

How about having a health system that prevented ill health by being integrated with fitness and diet rather than one focussed on expensive drugs and surgery when its too late to prevent the problems?

I'd be crazy not to agree with that.

How about thinking laterally rather than stuck in the same rut as the last fifty years?

Too bloody true. I have lots of ideas that don't conform to "left" or "right", but they should be for another thread.

Great post, btw

 

[Bear]

I would like to see a classical liberal party appear. A free market capitalist party supporting free enterprise and low taxes as well as giving maximum personal freedoms including drug legalisation would be great. And it could split the Tories.

 

[treelover]

This is exactly what the new left coalition which has been victorious (i think) in the italian elections has done, bringing together the various elements of the left/environmentalists, etc.

I think there is more of a need for the left wing parties to consolidate and then spend time their time finding out how to build a platform that means something to a large number of people as oppose to the usual sectarian posturing and promotion of outdated policies that mean nothing to the majority of folk in this country.

Personally I have a great deal of sympathy with the analysis that the left brings to bear but it needs to be converted into a manifesto that will engage with people. The current way of doing things just ain't working.

 

[gurrier]

Too bloody true. I have lots of ideas that don't conform to "left" or "right"

They conform to "simpleton" instead.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

i thinkt hat there's prolly a case fo r anew right wing party, at the moment the issue is that all parties have moved to the centre (right) ground and that this means there is no choice no alternative no body being able to create a tenablie oppositition becuase there is nothing to essentially oppose, politically at least... a right wing party even to the tune of some where between thatcher and ukip would essentail reneforce for a new generation and refreash for a new generation exactly why there was such cohestive civil action in the 1960's 70's and early 80's it would galvanise people into taking action...

if nothign more it would break the cycle ...

 

[nightbreed]

I think there is more of a need for the left wing parties to consolidate and then spend time their time finding out how to build a platform that means something to a large number of people as oppose to the usual sectarian posturing and promotion of outdated policies that mean nothing to the majority of folk in this country.

Personally I have a great deal of sympathy with the analysis that the left brings to bear but it needs to be converted into a manifesto that will engage with people. The current way of doing things just ain't working.

I know an awful lot of Blairites, who came from the Tribunite left of the Labour Party in the 80s who have this very same view.

 

[KillerB]

For a full 45-years now the internal politics of Western nations has been so Far Left with untrammelled immigration and refugees open-door policy, and official multiculturalist sedition and treachery, and the introduction of PC vilification laws to penalise against a whole raft of commentary which once the Constitution protected as a democratic right to freedom of speech -- that we are now almost literally abseiling our societies down the left face of the socialist abyss towards even further doom and self-destruction...

 

[Charlie Drake]

Introducing a new, exciting political party...

The eurosceptic, populist right is getting a bit cluttered. I think this is a Veritas off-shoot.

 

[Wolveryeti]

I'd like to see a meritocratic liberal party. One which levies a massive rate of inheritance tax on all the major landowners (sorry HM, sorry Duke of Wesminster) in order to provide a level playing field for everyone who's born. What you do from there is up to you. (I'd advocate a lowish flat income tax). Thus you're not penalised for being successful, and you have to graft a bit to earn your keep. Loads of people would moan, but the truth is, life would be much better for the majority.

 

[IMHO]

I'd like to see a meritocratic liberal party. One which levies a massive rate of inheritance tax on all the major landowners (sorry HM, sorry Duke of Wesminster) in order to provide a level playing field for everyone who's born. What you do from there is up to you. (I'd advocate a lowish flat income tax). Thus you're not penalised for being successful, and you have to graft a bit to earn your keep. Loads of people would moan, but the truth is, life would be much better for the majority.

Problem with inheritance tax is, if you're 55 and your business is buzzing, you have no incentive to make it buzz further. If you can't leave it to the kids to carry on where you left off, you may as well call it a day. The incentive for many great entrepreneurs was the furtherance of a dynasty. Expanding jobs, expanding tax, expanding opportunity.

 

[Wolveryeti]

Problem with inheritance tax is, if you're 55 and your business is buzzing, you have no incentive to make it buzz further. If you can't leave it to the kids to carry on where you left off, you may as well call it a day. The incentive for many great entrepreneurs was the furtherance of a dynasty. Expanding jobs, expanding tax, expanding opportunity.

All this means is that you're likely to keep your business small and spend more time with your friends and family. The space you leave by not aggressively growing as fast as you can could equally be filled by other small companies such as your own. Another positive development, would be that people would strive to make their mark not in terms of money (which would leave their family when they die) but in terms of repute in their field.

A society with high inheritance tax would be fairer because the barriers to entering into business would be smaller. I liken it to a game of poker. If you're wealthy you can afford to risk your capital. This is why games of poker are so frequently won by the person who gets the first big win. Millions of people in this country are kept undeservedly poor by the parasitic rich who own their houses and through speculation keep rents and prices high. This poverty trap stops the people on the lowest rungs from being able to lift themselves above it and is a major cause of the wealth gap and the anachronism which is the class system.

At any rate, It's pretty illogical as far as I'm concerned to care about what happens to your money when you're dead, cos well, you're dead! It's perhaps also worth adding that the people I grew up with who had rich parents (especially those whose parents died and left them loads of money) have all been fucked up to greater or lesser degrees by this.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Maybe what you're looking for is something like this:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERnazi.htm