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Recent attacks in Iraq

not much seems to prevail there, to keep them busy, to distract them from their dumb snug-guns and common language...sweeping rule from an outer, benevolent power? give em a bunch of cannabis seeds and a trucking industry: let them travel the world for a little while.
 
I wonder if the Saudi's have started shitting themselves about blowback yet. Baghdad falls and these loons are going to be heading for Mecca.
 
Belushi said:
I wonder if the Saudi's have started shitting themselves about blowback yet. Baghdad falls and these loons are going to be heading for Mecca.
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There's already been Saudi's suiciding themselves for ISIS in Syria and north-west Iraq with propoganda about them coming to release their comrades in Saudi prisons.
 
John Ging of the UN (Operations Director of the UN Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs) was interviewed on BBC R4 World at One.
Listen again, starting at about 11 minutes in. It makes compelling and appalling listening. At around 14.30 minutes he says that King Saud has donated $500 million to help the humanitarian operation.
 
Couple of things about PKK in sinja vs ISIS - usual caveats apply, it's a pro-PKK site but does seem to have reported PKK losses to ISIS.

Blow Struck Against ISIS in Sinjar City Center

The Sinjar Defense Units (Kurdish: Şengal) launched an operation against ISIS gangs in the Sinjar City Center yesterday evening, according to a report from DİHA carried by Özgür Gündem. At least 4 ISIS fighters are reported to have been killed in the fighting. No members of the Sinjar Defense Forces were lost.

The operation was the first carried out by the defense forces against ISIS gangs in the center of Sinjar. Locals have joined the Sinjar Defense Forces in the thousands following an offensive by ISIS fighters against the predominantly Yezidi region which began on Sunday, August 3rd.
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YPG Move To Assist Peşmerge Across Border

(ANF) YPG forces are reported to have moved from Til Koçer to an area near Zumar across the border with South Kurdistan as fighting between peşmerge forces and fighters of the Islamic State of Iraq and Sham (ISIS) grows in intensity around Mosul. Zumar is a district of Mosul and has been the site of growing clashes as ISIS seeks to expand its influence in the area.

YPG spokesman Polat Can said in a statement “ISIS wants to attack Zuma and Şengal (Sinjar) with a large force to separate it from Zaxo. We are here to prevent that. We have erased the borders between us. We moved to the South with great force in order to protect our brothers in the South from ISIS gangs.”
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YPG are the armed wing of the PKK affiliate in syria.
 
Belushi said:
Washington is considering airstrikes against ISIS according to the pm programme.
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That's appropriate since the US set off this disaster with the Iraq invasion. Although seems the UN/NATO/some Arab countries could put together a coalition to clobber these ISIS bastards.
 
What struck me about the Saudi Arabian donation - which Ging suggested meant the UN wasn't short of money for the humanitarian operations, just that they were short of actual means - was that SA is as worried about ISIS as anyone else.
 
KSA have been backing off ISIS for a while - they were the new AQ, an acceptable outlet for frustrated young Saudi men to blow off some steam (and hopefully the hardnuts would either get killed or just not come back..) that didn't interfere with the internal dynamics of KSA, but once they started getting a bit successful in carving out great wedges of territory and either directly threaten, or politically embarress, KSA they've been of the (Eid?) Christmas card list.

having Iraq and the US turn to Iran for support against ISIS was the final straw, mucho loss of face in KSA and a big realisation that in exporting the nutters and lavishing them with cash while they make trouble elsewhere they've shot themselves in the foot. again.

ISIS have managed to make themselves the enemy of everyone in the region, their ability to lose friends and alienate people is quite impressive - in shoving women and children up a mountain they've given the US the perfect excuse to give them the good news with everyone, both in the region and at home, cheers from the sidelines.
 
i feel tempted to think ISIS are such scum and as it doesnt look like anyone else is dealing with the situation this is at least some kind of help - add on top of that this is a situation that is the USs responsibility, what with them having created the power vacuum and then add on top of that the desperation of the situation for the refugees....

...but theres all kinds of problems here
-what will air strikes do? far as i understand ISIS are settled in to civillian areas, its not as if theyve got flanks of troops out in the desert in bunkers. More target bombing urban areas in Iraq? fucked up
- the refugees still wont be able to go back to their homes - the odd jet bombing around isnt going to change that
- is there a UN mandate? What are the options of working things out with the countries on the ground?

not sure how accurate any of that is, its just things that come to mind...this situation needs proper negotiation and planning with the international community, particularly neighbouring countries - flying some jets around and dropping bombs just sounds like a weak attempt to do something without having to do the hardwork of dealing with the hard politics needed.

what a fucked up situation
 
How do you guys see it panning out? Must say I'm not encouraged by US airstrikes when what is needed is Berlin-style airlift and more focused and co-ordinated international action. Of course that takes time we don't have. ISIS seem intoxicated by rhetoric and testosterone OD.
 
well hopefully theyll get enough emergency aid in to stop too many people dying but basically i cant see any chance of these people returning home - one way or another hopefully theyll be helped over the border somewhere. down the line, being christian refugees i reckon european governments will be that little bit more welcoming with asylum

beyond that i cant see bombing doing very much at all - once any attacks start im sure isis will melt into civilian areas and nothing much will have changed.
 
one of the things airpower is very good at is containment - digging people out of urban areas is messy, but stopping them moving from one urban area across desert to another urban area is both easy and relatively clean. the US, and others, could contain ISIS within their current strongholds using airpower, and they can provide relief to the IDP's, and airpower would be pretty effective at keeping ISIS at bay while these people sort themselves out.

nothing is going to be pretty - if you think using airpower in urban areas is messy just wait till you see what using infantry and artillery in urban areas look like...
 
Belushi said:
Air strikes and arming the peshmerga to the teeth will be the likely strategy
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And annoy Iran with the consolidation of Kurdistan.

Iraq rejects US request to maintain bases after troop withdrawal
theguardian.com, Friday 21 October 2011
Obama announces the full withdrawal of troops from Iraq but fails to persuade Nouri al-Maliki to allow US to keep bases there
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The success of ISIS stinks considering the failure of US diplomacy in Iraq and their desire for a piecemeal disjointed Middle East.

Not that I've anything to back that up.
 
If the BBC are anything to go by this week, 'we' have accepted the rebranding and ISIS/ISIL are now just plain IS.
 
astoundingly horrific (nsfw) events in Syria and Iraq

Islamic Extremists Now Crucifying People in Syria—and Tweeting Out the Pictures

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ing-out-the-pictures.html#sthash.6e2u49uv.dpu

Christian leader: ISIS beheading children

http://news.msn.com/world/video?videoid=2bfdecd8-28d6-bd10-3bdb-9fe0cecfe467

Yezidi MP in Iraq: ‘We Are Being Slaughtered’

http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/060820143

A snip from the above article.....
“Our women are taken as slaves and sold in the slave market,” Dakhil said, referring to the IS practice of taking women as war booty.




 
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out of interest is there any UN mandate for the coming US attacks and does there need to be under international law?
 
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