Idris2002
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No Grunberger's A Social History of the Third Reich, butchersapron? Outdated now - or still useful?
Reading recommendations: Fascism/Nazism
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butchersapron
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Still useful and in ze list. But also outdated. Huge growth of social history in the FRG in the 70s (localist) that both supported and challenged it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
but there's a fairly recent book about the architects of the resurrection http://www.amazon.com/Architects-Resurrection-Ailtirí-hAiséirghe-Fascist/dp/0719079985
Idris2002
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Ah right, gotcha. By localist, I take it you mean dealing with local case studies? Germans, IME are very keen to tell you how "people round here - we're not like those other Germans".
Pickman's model - I should have noted them as well. Even more sinister than O'Duffy's crowd, but also (thank Christ) a flash in the pan who never really took off as a mass movement.
butchersapron
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Yep, but also, studies based around one dominating workplace, one church etc - and yes, one of the criticisms was that it as used to parcel off localities from wider stuff, which lead to it dying because it couldn't connect up wider stuff. It was originally intended to investigate the depth of nazism, found that it wasn't that deep, but then became it was them over there. Really interesting look/period into how a society could investigate itself though.
ItWillNeverWork
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Cheers for that butchers. That's a mighty big list. Anything in particular that you recommend going onto after finishing Paxton's book? One thing I find intriguing is Mussolini's transition from being a socialist to a fascist, and the links that Paxton briefly mentions between syndicalism and early Italian fascism. Also, what and who were the 'Futurists'?
butchersapron
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Can recommend the Tooze book highly enough. I left the italian side out as that would have doubled the size of the post, but i can recommend The Syndicalist Tradition and Italian Fascism by David D Roberts - even though disagree with much he writes. The Futurists were a loose group of artists (well anti-artists type stuff really) who were obsessed with modernism, with machines, technology speed, war etc - which fed into the italian fascist aesthetic and movement. One of them (Renato Bertelli) did the fantastic 360 degree Mussolini although it was much later than futurims proper:
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I'm right behind Butch in recommending Tooze. It's almost scarily-detailed, but it's still a "good" read, IYSWIM.
A couple of years ago I picked up Dynamic of destruction by Alan Kramer in a charity shop. It had some interesting bits on the futurists links to Fascism(as well as differences, disagreements and even outright opposition by some of them) and earlier their enthusiasm for war.Can recommend the Tooze book highly enough. I left the italian side out as that would have doubled the size of the post, but i can recommend The Syndicalist Tradition and Italian Fascism by David D Roberts - even though disagree with much he writes. The Futurists were a loose group of artists (well anti-artists type stuff really) who were obsessed with modernism, with machines, technology speed, war etc - which fed into the italian fascist aesthetic and movement. One of them (Renato Bertelli) did the fantastic 360 degree Mussolini although it was much later than futurims proper:
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Can recommend the Tooze book highly enough. I left the italian side out as that would have doubled the size of the post, but i can recommend The Syndicalist Tradition and Italian Fascism by David D Roberts - even though disagree with much he writes. The Futurists were a loose group of artists (well anti-artists type stuff really) who were obsessed with modernism, with machines, technology speed, war etc - which fed into the italian fascist aesthetic and movement. One of them (Renato Bertelli) did the fantastic 360 degree Mussolini although it was much later than futurims proper:
Just ordered a hard copy of the Tooze book after browsing through an electronic version. At less than a tenner and with 832 pages
, 1.2 pence a page is pretty good value I reckon. 
Can't find an ebook for The Syndicalist Tradition unfortunately, and the physical version is £30. That one will have to wait I guess.
butchersapron
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Further to my post above: Here's access to 1.5gb of stuff on fascism - i tried to tidy it up to books and stuff, but there's too much.
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butchersapron
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Can people see the books folder?
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butchersapron
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That's google not me!
Oh right. It just comes up as links on my drive (I cheekily shared your drive btw, felt it was less rude than to post up links to your drive elsewhere, posted up links to mine).
butchersapron
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It's there to be shared, i'm unclear about what i shared mind!
chilango
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a folder of books and a folder of articles(?) organised by topic. will attempt to copy/DL tommorrow at work. cheers!
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
http://backdoorbroadcasting.net/arc...1_09_22_PopulistRacism_AndreasUmland_talk.mp3
butchersapron cynicaleconomy just found this, may be of interest (I have not listened to it yet, its about the Russian liberal democratic party and 'palingenetic ultranationalism' ie fascism)
butchersapron cynicaleconomy just found this, may be of interest (I have not listened to it yet, its about the Russian liberal democratic party and 'palingenetic ultranationalism' ie fascism)
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
http://backdoorbroadcasting.net/201...ist-socialist-regime-under-the-bombs-1940-45/
It is often argued that the Hitler regime was profoundly influenced by the ‘stab-in-the-back’ myth generated by the German collapse in 1918. In World War II the anxiety that the home front might collapse was fuelled by the escalating bomber offensive and the widespread popular belief that urban communities would not be able to withstand the bombing. For the regime, the urban working-class and the Jews were perceived as the greatest potential threat. Issues of race and labour came to play a major part in planning civil defence and coping with the aftermath of bomb attack. For the Allies, the German working class was also regarded as the ‘weak link’ and so working class residential districts became the principal RAF targets. A battle ensued between the two sides over the ‘morale’ of the German workforce.
It is often argued that the Hitler regime was profoundly influenced by the ‘stab-in-the-back’ myth generated by the German collapse in 1918. In World War II the anxiety that the home front might collapse was fuelled by the escalating bomber offensive and the widespread popular belief that urban communities would not be able to withstand the bombing. For the regime, the urban working-class and the Jews were perceived as the greatest potential threat. Issues of race and labour came to play a major part in planning civil defence and coping with the aftermath of bomb attack. For the Allies, the German working class was also regarded as the ‘weak link’ and so working class residential districts became the principal RAF targets. A battle ensued between the two sides over the ‘morale’ of the German workforce.
butchersapron
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Ta, will try and have a listen after the football.
seventh bullet
sovietwave
Umland is very good. He knows his shit when it comes to contemporary fascism Russia. He's a Dugin watcher as well.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
http://muse.jhu.edu/login?auth=0&ty...frica_and_the_middle_east/v020/20.1vanaik.pdf
Just found this about fascism in India and developing countries, unfortunately I can't read the whole thing.
Just found this about fascism in India and developing countries, unfortunately I can't read the whole thing.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
This is also interesting about Hindutva/Indian fascism (only just started to read it so not sure if its any good) butchersapron cynicaleconomy https://www.academia.edu/4122908/RSS_Marketing_Fascism_as_Hindutva
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
http://www.orthodox-christian-icons.com/writing/reinventing_fascism.htm
This is interesting about the orthodox church in Russia and its relation to fascism although I am not sure that I agree with the idea Russia is becoming a fascist state.
This is interesting about the orthodox church in Russia and its relation to fascism although I am not sure that I agree with the idea Russia is becoming a fascist state.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
butchersapron et al - what do you think of this Alfred Sohn-Rethel?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Sohn-Rethel
I found his book on the economic roots of Nazism here, you see:
https://kok.memoryoftheworld.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Sohn-Rethel
I found his book on the economic roots of Nazism here, you see:
https://kok.memoryoftheworld.org/
butchersapron
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He's very important for two reason - first off he's a marxist writing from the heart of the nazi industrial-plan, the state-capital crossover (rathjr than abour the economic roots of nazism). And secondly, he became quite important for the anti-germans in his analysis of different types of labour and what flows from it. I put him in my list i think.
butchersapron
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Zeev Sternhell died yesterday.
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