Pubs we've lost 2014-2015: The Grosvenor, Stockwell and the Canterbury Arms, Brixton
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hiraethified
Feature here:
Anti-gentrification movies beamed onto the luxury development that is going to kill the Stockwell Grosvenor
Here's what's coming:
And the website blurb:
Anti-gentrification movies beamed onto the luxury development that is going to kill the Stockwell Grosvenor
Here's what's coming:
And the website blurb:
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hiraethified
That's explained in the article. There is no way he can continue putting on noisy punk bands and let people use the outside smoking area directly opposite because of the noise complaints he'll get.
So he's decided to quit before he has to deal with it.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
I understand that, and I am not being an apologist for Golfrate or for complaining NIMBYs, but it is hyperbole to state that the development is "forcing the Grosvenor" out of business when (as far as I understand it) there have been no complaints at all yet.
Your article gives the impression Golfrate has taken positive action which has forced the Grosvenor to close and that is a misrepresentation.
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hiraethified
Golfrate is converting the flats above the pub into luxury flats. There are luxury flays being erected just metres from the pub's front door. Those two acts mean there is no way the venue can continue as it is, so it will indeed be forced to stop functioning as a live venue.
If you knew the kind of nights that the pub is famous for, and the kind of clientèle that the pub attracts, you'd understand while the landlord felt he had no other option but to quit rather than see it turned into a hushed parody of itself.
DJWrongspeed
radio eros
Are Golfrate going to keep it as a pub, for a while at least, does anyone know?
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
You may well be correct. I am not claiming that it would not play out that way.
My problem is with the words you use. Whether you mean to or not, you are misrepresenting the position. What's more, it's unnecessary because it is a strong story without the misrepresentation.
Anyway, I have said my piece, and you can take note or ignore it as you wish.
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hiraethified
No one's actually sure. Whatever happens, it will never be the Grosvenor that we've known and loved for years
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hiraethified
What do you know about 'the position'? When was the last time you went to the pub, spoke to the landlord or any of the promoters?
The presence of that luxury development means the pub can no longer operate like it has in the past. If you think you know more than the landlord on that score, feel free to go and tell him that he's got it all wrong and he's making a mistake by throwing away all his years of hard work there.
DietCokeGirl
Fishing in the rivers of life
Does anyone know when the grovsners going? I go there often but want to make sure I rally old friend to give it a good send off.
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hiraethified
I think there's about two months left. There'll be a big gig or two to mark the end. It's really sad.
DietCokeGirl
Fishing in the rivers of life
It is. It's one of the few remaining places I feel comfortable round here.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
I'd imagine that, down the years, the Grosvenor had a variety of identities before its popular 'live' one. Maybe it will manage to forge a new one.
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
I'm sure those words will be a comfort to my many friends who drink there and to myself when it has become a gastropub full of people I have nothing in common with and who are already well catered for in Brixton and surrounds.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
No doubt - but there it is. Nothing stays the same for long in London
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hiraethified
It's remained an affordable pub offering entertainment for the local community for over a hundred years. I doubt very much it will continue as one.
DietCokeGirl
Fishing in the rivers of life
Brilliant, sharing.
With credit, natch.
With credit, natch.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Invoking the phrase 'local community' adds nothing to a discussion on a pub.
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
have you ever visited the Grosvenor ?
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Three times. Nice place
SarfLondoner
KenDoddsDadsDogsDead.
Feature here:
Anti-gentrification movies beamed onto the luxury development that is going to kill the Stockwell Grosvenor
Here's what's coming:
And the website blurb:
No mention of Brockwell park or lido or the rec. But they mention Battersea park,Wandsworth common and Tooting lido and Clapham for a good night out.Feature here:
Anti-gentrification movies beamed onto the luxury development that is going to kill the Stockwell Grosvenor
Here's what's coming:
And the website blurb:
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hiraethified
Really? You don't think some pubs operate as a true community resource more than others? You know, like accommodating a wide range of different people, putting on neighbourhood based events, letting local groups use the facilities, running fund raising events etc etc...
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Very impressed by the way Effra Social always finds room for our residents' meetings
The Elm Park Tavern, on the other hand, could not give a toss.
But do most pubs really accommodate a wide range of people? Muslims, women, children, old people etc? Or a narrower demographic?
Anyway, the activities you suggest can continue, if the Grosvenor continues.
FridgeMagnet
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So - and correct me if I'm wrong here - the pub was sold to a property management company with no interest in pubs but with a serious interest in luxury flats. Said company is now redeveloping their properties in the area on that basis. The conclusion would seem to be that the pub will vanish as a pub, as the landlord seems to have thought hence quitting.
Brixton Hatter
Home is south London mate
Personally, I'm disappointed the landlord of the Grosvenor is giving up without a fight. I've discussed it with him several times. I told him he'd have lots of local support if he wanted to resist any future complaints etc, but he said to me "don't save the pub!"
I guess it's fair enough if he doesn't want to carry on - it's his decision after all. And he may have other plans.
I might be wrong on this, but I think he's got several years left on the lease, so presumably someone else could keep the pub going. Personally I would give it a real go and fight any potential bullshit from new residents opposite. But perhaps J is taking a sensible decision to not fight a fight which he will almost inevitably lose, probably with lots of legal, financial and emotional stress involved too.
Been to some great gigs there over the years, won and lost many quizzes, played endless games of pool and got legless on endless ciders. Great pub. All there is to do now is enjoy it while it's still there….
I guess it's fair enough if he doesn't want to carry on - it's his decision after all. And he may have other plans.
I might be wrong on this, but I think he's got several years left on the lease, so presumably someone else could keep the pub going. Personally I would give it a real go and fight any potential bullshit from new residents opposite. But perhaps J is taking a sensible decision to not fight a fight which he will almost inevitably lose, probably with lots of legal, financial and emotional stress involved too.
Been to some great gigs there over the years, won and lost many quizzes, played endless games of pool and got legless on endless ciders. Great pub. All there is to do now is enjoy it while it's still there….
Rushy
basically a scrotum
I can't see any application for the upstairs of the pub to be turned into self contained flats. Is it already?
I don't know a huge amount about punk but throwing the towel in at such an early stage, even before the lease expires, is not an action I would have associated with a venue with "punk in it's soul". Is it possible that a financial arrangement has been reached between the pub leaseholder and the freeholder?
I don't know a huge amount about punk but throwing the towel in at such an early stage, even before the lease expires, is not an action I would have associated with a venue with "punk in it's soul". Is it possible that a financial arrangement has been reached between the pub leaseholder and the freeholder?
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