Manter
Lunch Mob
Very true....... And that is why the "free market" is not as free as the crapitalists would have us believe
Professionals send Brixton property prices surging by 15%
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
They get the privilege of being allowed to live and to earn and to be taxed rather than annually expropriated of all but a worker's wage. What more do the cunts want?
Well, there's certainly snobbery within the various degrees of wealthiness, although nowhere near as much old money vs. new money snobbery as there used to be.@Gramsci's post about bond street is interesting, as I think that the 'rich' category is fragmenting- there are rich- people paid a lot for what they do; the idle- people living off income from investments trusts etc, and the global or super rich- the oligarchs, Arab royal families etc. they just live on their own planet, frankly.
There, instant invention of unscientific categories
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Trust me they do not. Ive met them. They think everything in the world is ok. They do not see that the low paid have anything to do with them. Its not that they are nasty its just that they do not think inequality has anything to do with them. Its just how things are.
And no £300k a year is not a lot. That is exactly how they think.
Some of the places Ive seen the people are probably on more that that a year.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
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I think the rich know they are rich- my boss has never said he is broke or underpaid in any way!- but there does seem to be a resentment about how much tax they pay and what they 'get' for that.
@Gramsci's post about bond street is interesting, as I think that the 'rich' category is fragmenting- there are rich- people paid a lot for what they do; the idle- people living off income from investments trusts etc, and the global or super rich- the oligarchs, Arab royal families etc. they just live on their own planet, frankly.
There, instant invention of unscientific categories
A lot of Chinese in Bond street now.
Interesting article here on how business and the state work in China . So wealthy Chinese are no different from Russian Oligarchs.
The Rich are treated differently to the rest. See here the Keiser Report where he interviews someone who was sent to prison for looting in the recent riots in London. Funny but accurate.
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newbie
undisambiguated
maybe I don't give up, curiosity about local demographics has the better of me
I presume these posts were not intended to be either ironic or parodies, there's no hint that they were
how much does your boss earn, basic and bonuses- can you estimate an approximate ball park?
again approximately, how many people do you know who are
people living off income from investments trusts etc,
oligarchs,
the global or super rich
any royal families etc (I've no idea what the word 'Arab' is intended to convey in that sentence, but I'm not inclined to draw lines based on race, myself)
how many of them live in Brixton? what proportion of the population of Brixton do you think such people compose?
I guess it translates to 'spend'. So, again approximately, how many people do you know who could spend a quarter of a million quid on anything at all other than housing with a twenty five year payback? And of them, how many could do it, not at a stretch, but without glancing at the pricetag?
how many of them live in Brixton? what proportion of the population of Brixton do you think such people compose?
I presume these posts were not intended to be either ironic or parodies, there's no hint that they were
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I think the rich know they are rich- my boss has never said he is broke or underpaid in any way!- but there does seem to be a resentment about how much tax they pay and what they 'get' for that.
@Gramsci's post about bond street is interesting, as I think that the 'rich' category is fragmenting- there are rich- people paid a lot for what they do; the idle- people living off income from investments trusts etc, and the global or super rich- the oligarchs, Arab royal families etc. they just live on their own planet, frankly.
There, instant invention of unscientific categories
how much does your boss earn, basic and bonuses- can you estimate an approximate ball park?
again approximately, how many people do you know who are
people living off income from investments trusts etc,
oligarchs,
the global or super rich
any royal families etc (I've no idea what the word 'Arab' is intended to convey in that sentence, but I'm not inclined to draw lines based on race, myself)
how many of them live in Brixton? what proportion of the population of Brixton do you think such people compose?
what does to "drop" mean in that context? Is it a technical term, I've never heard it before.
I guess it translates to 'spend'. So, again approximately, how many people do you know who could spend a quarter of a million quid on anything at all other than housing with a twenty five year payback? And of them, how many could do it, not at a stretch, but without glancing at the pricetag?
how many of them live in Brixton? what proportion of the population of Brixton do you think such people compose?
Manter
Lunch Mob
You really have a problem with me, don't you? Posh, rich, racist and using unacceptable slang. Why don't you just put me on ignore and save yourself some heartache?
My boss's income is published in the partnership report. Last year it was just over 3million. He doesn't live in Brixton. We were talking about 'the rich' not brixton incomes.
One of the other partners does live in Brixton- he earned just over 1.5million in the last financial year. He bought his house 20 years ago. One of the others lives in Camberwell. Also on 1.5, been there a while but not sure he long, I've never asked. May well be others, I have no idea, never done a complete search and income assessment- they are just the ones I work with lots that are near-ish me. No idea what the numbers, locations or length of occupation is for other partners from other firms, either. Or for people in other professions. Or trust fund holders. Or people who sold out businesses and made money, or all sorts of people who may be around here.
The financial situation of people I've met, worked with or actually know isn't, I would have thought, particularly relevant to anything. As it happens, I have met at least one person I would put in each category over the course of my life, and I have met people who could spend a lot of money on all sorts of things. I tend not to demand people justify exactly what their spending capacity is and how they came by it, so can't answer your questions.
Arab royal families are usually considered to be distinct from 'royals'- the Swedish or the Dutch royal family are not like Russian oligarchs, Chinese party functionaries or the house of Saud. Arab royals are a category of super rich that you see in parts of London. Most of it is oil money, tho they typically own other infrastructure or major businesses in their countries. And they are all royal as that is usually a condition of entry to the cartel.
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
Why are they considered different, the way they dress, European royals owe a significant proportion of their wealth from colonising and subjugating people less well equipped militarily by proxy, I believe the British Royals and certain other parts of the establishment did very well out of forcing the Chinese to allow vast quantities of opium into their country for example
Manter
Lunch Mob
Oh, they are all as bad as one another, i agree, but in modern business/financial terms, european royals are a curiosity, with what money they have tied up in land and mainly passive investments. Arab royals, on the other hand, are a financial force to be reckoned with- in fact the only show in town in lots of places. UAE, Saudi, to a lesser extent Jordan- If you are setting up a business, supporting a business, investing etc you need to engage with the royal family. The families are huge, and various obscure branches pop up all over the place. Interesting to work for too, as the behaviours of sovereign wealth funds are different to institutional investors at the best of times: if you add active junior royals working through dynastic squabbles in board meetings, it can be quite difficult.
The Arab royals are also pretty notorious for turning up in London for 3 months every year, with attendant spending and upward pressure on London prices. Because of the Olympics, lots went to Paris this year instead, but most own property here.
TruXta
tired
Firstly there's a hell of a lot more people in the Arab royal families than there are of European royalty (House of Saud numbers in the thousands), and they have been quite aggressive in terms of visibly investing in property in London in particular. Having just spent 6 months in the ME it certainly seemed to me that London was the no.1 destination for property investment in Europe made by rich Arabs. And it's a lot easier to buy in London for foreigners than it is in for instance New York.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
We did a job at work for one of these guys a few years ago. He hired half a floor of [well-known high class central london hotel] and had it replanned and redecorated to his tastes, including a whole room for his shoes.
We also do work on mansions/townhouses for this market. The amount of wealth is sickening, but they're the only people with real liquid money right now, so that's the work we get.
Manter
Lunch Mob
I did a job in UAE- setting up a health service (don't ask, a properly surreal job)- project sponsor and board were all royals, the office skyscraper was owned by royals, the car service was theirs, as was the hotel we stayed in and every restaurant we visited. The guys doing all the work were Lebanese, mainly, and a feisty princess who tried not to come back from London when we went for a meeting. She wore jeans in London and went bareheaded as she said the hijab was intended to make women inconspicuous because the prophet said they should be modest: and in London, wearing it called attention to you. She was fabulous....
TruXta
tired
It's funny when you get a plane out of there going to Europe and you see all these girls in traditional dress go to the loo and come out in tight jeans and tops, high heels and bling bling bling.
Manter
Lunch Mob
Also odd going the other way. And if you are female, arrive on your own and your driver isn't there yet, they have a 'room' for you to wait in. They are v persuasive about your going to said room.... (That was Saudi)
TruXta
tired
Huh, guess they're a bit stricter there than UAE.
Manter
Lunch Mob
Just a bit....
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Do any members of Royal Famliy own Dubai airport? Every time I've ever been there (only 3 or 4 times), there's always been a couple of guys that seem to feel they're allowed to walk around the airport smoking whilst all other smokers sit in tiny glass cubicles
TruXta
tired
I think it's owned by the Dubai Emirate, which kinda means that the royals own it.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
A Palestinian friend dresses up to the (Western-style) nines whenever she leaves the house, but wears the traditional stuff at home because it's more comfortable. Something I'm sure loads of Western women can identify with!
/derail
TruXta
tired
Aye it's shit.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Is it @Onket?
Manter
Lunch Mob
Thanks, I just snorted tea through my nose
Manter
Lunch Mob
Total detail but interesting
I saw lots of women in the ladies loos, single sex cares etc without their robes (of various sorts) and they were all v heavily made up, in very glamorous clothes. In my head, the advantage of hijab, burkas etc, is you can just wash, stick your hair back in a ponytail and wear tracksuit pants and no one would be any the wiser. But apparently not....
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
but you did say most of the places you visited were owned by the royal family which may be indicative of some kind of class distinction ?
Manter
Lunch Mob
Dunno. Don't know enough about class in UAE. One place was a toilet in a service station, but it sold Louis Vuitton so not your average service station....
Manter
Lunch Mob
What is Iran like?
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
That may also be true of the more conservative parts of Palestine (Gaza and some of the refugee camps in the West Bank). I don't know, but I'd think it depends a great deal on how rigidly dress codes are enforced outside the house. Hijab is very much optional in more liberal countries/areas.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Remarkably welcoming. Exceedingly so.
Someone graffitied my van with "Please take peace message to the world on the wind road".
