leanderman
Street Party: July 2
I demand champagne
Professionals send Brixton property prices surging by 15%
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
The truth, actually I'd go further, the economically inactive won't even be so lucky
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The truth, actually I'd go further, the economically inactive won't even be so lucky
I was trying not to depress myself too much, but you're right. Useless eaters like me will be shipped off northward and left to fend for ourselves in the cold rainy wastelands also known as Lancashire and Yorkshire.
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
Likewise..... unfortunately the local council up there, in league with the private sector care providers have had my dads house off him in return for my mums residential care so I cant even offer you a space on the sofa....when they get him out it'll make an excellent by to let opportunity like the rest of the streetUseless eaters like me will be shipped off northward and left to fend for ourselves in the cold rainy wastelands also known as Lancashire and Yorkshire.
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
If the incomers to Brixton are anything like the ones near me in SE London, they're a different breed from the people who moved into areas like Brixton and Vauxhall in the 80s and 90s. (Vauxhall for a while in my case - never lived in Brixton though I have had dozens of mates there over the years).
It was the culture of the 80s/90s 'incomers' to enjoy and buy into local shops, pubs and other businesses and to appreciate them as they were. Not that people wanted things preserved in aspic - the vast majority of people accept the normal pace of change.
When I lived in Vauxhall, the (mainly middle class 'bohemian') squatters were happy to buy everything in the corner shop and keep it going. A lot of the sort of people who have moved near me now would be clamouring for a place like that - with its fridges of milk, rows of tinned food, cigs behind the counter, just a normal shop - to be turned into an artisan cheese shop or similar!!
newbie
undisambiguated
I wouldn't go that far, I just think it's mildly insensitive.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I did not know about this. Can u say more?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
There was an exhibition about the 81 riots in the library a while back made from cuttings from newspapers of the time. The Guardian one looked at the who lived in Brixton. It said that professionals had moved in. These were left leaning social workers and other professionals in the public sector. So ur correct it was different.
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
I suppose that is how I would sum it up - that the earlier wave of 'incomers' who were I suppose the vanguard of gentrification, had more of a social conscience.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
I can. Schools in poorer areas have more kids who speak English as a second language, more parents on the breadline. Parents who can afford to, buy places in the catchment area of schools they like and they become predominantly middle class schools. Sudbourne School springs to mind. There's something else right-to-buy has affected. Lambeth didn't just own council estates. They bought up loads of houses all over Lambeth. I think 70% of council-owned property in Lambeth has been sold now, iirc. Can't remember where I read that, don't ask me for a source...it's probably more than 70% now anyway
Like Mrs Magpie says, wealthier people have bought up the housing around the perceived better schools. This has radically affected the class and racial make-up of the primary schools in Lambeth. This also means that most of the special needs are concentrated in various schools creating impossibly high need. One primary near me has around 85% of its children on the school special needs register. What school could cope with that, my school has about 25% and we are inundated with need?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Thats appalling. Its not something I hear our Cllrs going on about. Keep quiet about that.
In Brighton they introduced a lottery for schools to try to stop this happening.
Well all politicians like to measure their schools by artificial standards so a lot may be ok on the surface in terms of results. But it doesn't change the fact that different classes and races are not going to the same schools. The education system is such that you can say you're doing well for children by providing a very narrow experience. That's not to slate the schools as teachers are usually working within a system they haven't had any say in and don't agree with.
There are so many issues when talking about inner city schools within the context of the education system, my remarks only scratch the surface of all that is wrong.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
No, I'm saying that the whole of w/c London will be like Edmonton.
I went to Edmonton Green a while back. That is one seriously misleading place name.
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/7847556/A-taste-of-Italy-in-Vauxhall.html
It happened anyway!!!
Sorry to quote self etc.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
I can be more precise.
Free school meals is a proxy for 'poverty'.
These are the approximate free school meal ratios for four neighbouring Brixton schools:
Jubilee: 50%
King's Avenue: 50%
Sudbourne: 30%
Corpus Christi: 10%
Statistically, they should have quite similar percentages.
Sudbourne's lower rate is explained, in part, by the more expensive housing.
Corpus Christi's is explained by Roman Catholic selection policies.
boohoo
No.
I was born at the Elephant so I'm an outsider
Where you born in Lambeth hospital? It was at the Elephant!
boohoo
No.
I know the thread has move on a bit...
... but going back to the conversation about coming from an area.
My life in London has involved meeting lots of people from all parts of the UK and the world. They come into my life, become my friend and one day many of them say I need to move back to my home town - I've got family there - we don't see enough of each other - the old folk are getting on a bit. And so they return home and settle down. Brixton is where I grew up, it's my home town , it's where my parents live yet I can't afford the area and unlike my friends I can't just go back to my hometown when I want to.
...anyway I've said my bit now.
... but going back to the conversation about coming from an area.
My life in London has involved meeting lots of people from all parts of the UK and the world. They come into my life, become my friend and one day many of them say I need to move back to my home town - I've got family there - we don't see enough of each other - the old folk are getting on a bit. And so they return home and settle down. Brixton is where I grew up, it's my home town , it's where my parents live yet I can't afford the area and unlike my friends I can't just go back to my hometown when I want to.
...anyway I've said my bit now.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
Only one of my three grown-up kids is still in Brixton, and that's only because he's so under-employed and skint he moved back into my place.
I was trying not to depress myself too much, but you're right. Useless eaters like me will be shipped off northward and left to fend for ourselves in the cold rainy wastelands also known as Lancashire and Yorkshire.
tbf I do think you'll bring a whole newlease of life to Last of the Summer Wine ;-)
As the mastermind who sits in bed, giving everyone else ideas.
Manter
Lunch Mob
I may go as far as sparkling wine.... But champagne? Pffff
A week or so ago I was going through the tube just after rush hour. The freebie publication hand out made me laugh. I thought well - Brixton really *is* attracting a whole new focus...
...it was the Economist.
(I bloody love the Economist. But fuck... in Brixton? My landlady, been here for about 25 years, 'squatter made good', thought it was hilarious.)
...it was the Economist.
(I bloody love the Economist. But fuck... in Brixton?
My landlady, been here for about 25 years, 'squatter made good', thought it was hilarious.)Even free school meals are not a full indicator of need. Firstly, some families cannot get the paperwork to access them as they are illegal or semi-legal. Secondly, the government was planning a change to free school meals (don't think it's happened yet) so that families with an income of £10, 000 or more will lose this entitlement. Can you imagine, that is nothing to live on with a family or without in London! And it means the government can then give less funding to needy schools.
Vibrant-Hubb
Active Member
Apologies for diving into this thread when I've not posted here for awhile.
I think what is disturbing is that now this is less absorbable change, more demographic transplant. I was going to say that we shall be left with little islands of low-income people in social housing (Ladbroke Grove?) surrounded by obscene wealth. But since regeneration of estates relieves people of their low rents and secure tenancies, what we are heading for is a Parisan style rich ghetto of all of zones 1 and 2 (perhaps, am I wrong?) Searching for "Brixton Gentrification" these two articles stood out. The first one from 2005, is a bit resentful, but seems rather prescient now. The second really highlights a vanished Coldharbour Lane. Not many of us miss the pushiest of street dealers (now mostly not present on CHL), but it is the "atmosphere of acceptance" of disparate people that one of the articles mentions that is a sad loss. That atmosphere is also not perceiveable to the more wealthy as never required.
http://www.newint.org/columns/essays/2005/12/01/cultural-development/
http://londonmink.blogspot.co.uk/2006/07/goodbye-electric-lane.html
I think what is disturbing is that now this is less absorbable change, more demographic transplant. I was going to say that we shall be left with little islands of low-income people in social housing (Ladbroke Grove?) surrounded by obscene wealth. But since regeneration of estates relieves people of their low rents and secure tenancies, what we are heading for is a Parisan style rich ghetto of all of zones 1 and 2 (perhaps, am I wrong?) Searching for "Brixton Gentrification" these two articles stood out. The first one from 2005, is a bit resentful, but seems rather prescient now. The second really highlights a vanished Coldharbour Lane. Not many of us miss the pushiest of street dealers (now mostly not present on CHL), but it is the "atmosphere of acceptance" of disparate people that one of the articles mentions that is a sad loss. That atmosphere is also not perceiveable to the more wealthy as never required.
http://www.newint.org/columns/essays/2005/12/01/cultural-development/
http://londonmink.blogspot.co.uk/2006/07/goodbye-electric-lane.html
newbie
undisambiguated
I have to say that all this stuff about how massively middle class and gentrified the area has become are belied by those figures. Ignore Corpus Christi because it's always set itself apart from the ordinaries. Best part of half of all children going to those local schools qualify for free school meals. Are there similar stats for primaries in SW9?
I've been wondering how to say this, but not every incomer is posh and rich- they're not all like manter. Just look around, yes there are Mercs parked up these days (not all with tinted windows) but there are also huge numbers of obviously quite poor people. Still.
Maybe Lambeth has sold off 70% of all its properties but there are still masses of Housing Association places around (& Lambeth rents back a fair few sold-off flats): social housing is still a major component of the local landscape, as is longterm private rental at somewhat less than extortionate rates.
This is still inner London, where the prosperous still live cheek by jowl with the poor, where bright young things arrive after university and where (minor blip since 2008 apart) they still clear off again when their kids approach secondary school age.
The bright young things have disposable income, they're being paid West End and City rates, but as the area has gained in popularity the more ordinary BYTs have to wait a few years until they've established themselves before they can afford Brixton with its easy commute. That wasn't the case some years back, when it was an entry level dormitory for BYTs. Of course, it's still entry level for posh lawyers, brokers and mandarins but not so much any longer for those starting out in the more normal jobs the West End and City has to offer. Even so, there are plenty of rentsharers doing what are, by West End standards, pretty ordinary jobs (they may look like glittering prizes for those outside London, but that's the nature of the national concentration of civil service, media, law and finance jobs in the middle of London) .
I don't think the detailed 2011 census has been published yet- it will make very interesting reading.
Ms Ordinary
randompointlesschemistry
If you want to look at this from the opposite direction - indicators of wealth - then it can be enlightening to look up a school's PTA on the Charities Commission website & see how much it raises in a year.
Primary schools that raise a few £100 from cake sales & raffles possibly don't even have to be listed - but ones where the PTA raises tens of £1000s often seem to be
.Obviously it's great to raise loads of money for your school - and even 'favoured' primary schools are still quite mixed so the parents are raising funds for all the children, & very probably with the intention of benefiting the poorest - but the disparities do indicate something.
Manter
Lunch Mob
Am I the only person who is completely fixated on that many kids living in poverty? 50% in 2 schools in one of the richest cities in the world? Bloody hell
